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NichaelBluth

12-15-2008, 09:46 PM Post subject: River a boat on Flush board

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PokerStars Game #22946557646: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/12/15 15:38:45 ET
Table 'Philosophia' 10-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Mmog ($31 in chips)
Seat 2: Moe Doe ($16.25 in chips)
Seat 3: panthers93 ($21.05 in chips)
Seat 4: jennings76 ($13.20 in chips)
Seat 5: NichaelBluth ($18.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Mikel441 ($16.35 in chips)
Seat 7: CamelFan ($27 in chips)
Seat 8: Youlius ($22.20 in chips)
Seat 9: koby2000 ($26.25 in chips)
Seat 10: maverick824 ($32.25 in chips)
Mikel441: posts small blind $0.25
CamelFan: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NichaelBluth [6c 6h]
Youlius: folds
koby2000: folds
maverick824: folds
Mmog: calls $0.50
Moe Doe: folds
panthers93: calls $0.50
jennings76: raises $0.50 to $1
NichaelBluth: calls $1
Mikel441: calls $0.75
CamelFan: folds
Mmog: calls $0.50
panthers93: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [6s 8s 2s]
Mikel441: checks
Youlius is sitting out
Mmog: checks
panthers93: checks
jennings76: bets $0.50
NichaelBluth: raises $0.50 to $1
Mikel441: folds
Mmog: folds
panthers93: folds
jennings76: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [6s 8s 2s] [Ks]
jennings76: checks
NichaelBluth: bets $1
jennings76: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [6s 8s 2s Ks] [8c]
jennings76: checks
NichaelBluth: bets $1
jennings76: raises $1 to $2
NichaelBluth: raises $1 to $3
jennings76: raises $1 to $4
Betting is capped
NichaelBluth: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jennings76: shows [Kc Kh] (a full house, Kings full of Eights)
NichaelBluth: mucks hand
jennings76 collected $17 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.50 | Rake $0.50
Board [6s 8s 2s Ks 8c]
Seat 1: Mmog folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Moe Doe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: panthers93 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: jennings76 showed [Kc Kh] and won ($17) with a full house, Kings full of Eights
Seat 5: NichaelBluth (button) mucked [6c 6h]
Seat 6: Mikel441 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: CamelFan (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Youlius folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: koby2000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: maverick824 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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flopmonkey

12-17-2008, 04:42 PM

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FTR Hand History Converter Output (intended for copying and pasting into poker forums!):

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PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6

, 6

3 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, SB calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP3 calls

Flop: (11 SB) 6

, 8

, 2

(5 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero raises, 3 folds, CO calls

Turn: (7.5 BB) K

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls

River: (9.5 BB) 8

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls

Total pot: $17.50 (17.5 BB) | Rake: $0.50

Results:
Hero mucked 6

, 6

(full house, sixes over eights).
CO had K

, K

(full house, Kings over eights).
Outcome: CO won $17

asdpikas

12-17-2008, 05:02 PM

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dont love the coldcall PF, cant really hate it 100% either...
the rest is just standard, another cooler, so dont sweat it

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For the right to be governed, waste them without mercy.
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DrivingDog

12-17-2008, 05:07 PM

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Not too much you can do imo. The c/c on the turn would make me a bit suspicious because if he already had a big flush a sensible player would either lead or c/r. And 8x seems unlikely since he raised prefop. Doesn't leave many possibilities for what he would c/r on the river.

But it seems bad to not 3bet the river because against random .5/1 guy that just gives up too much value. Probably 4/5 times random .5/1 guy is NOT that sensible and has AsX or is just spewing with AK or god knows what.

Your opponent played it perfectly as it happened. Not much you can do really.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

flopmonkey

12-17-2008, 09:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by asdpikas

dont love the coldcall PF, cant really hate it 100% either...
the rest is just standard, another cooler, so dont sweat it

I dont understand why you dont like the call preflop..according to my chart, in late position you should call with any PP in a raised pot, as long as there is atleast 4 other callers. (I know there is only 2, but implied there will be more, since in low limit, people ALWAYS call atleast one preflop bet, because most preflop raisers, will bet almost ANYTHING.

I won lots of bets by hitting my set on the flop. But with that flush board, Id be very afraid to be so aggresive. Too much chance to be drawing dead. Especially the Turn. eew! Id prolly fold at turn.

Am I thinking too tight?

Chopper

12-17-2008, 10:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flopmonkey

I won lots of bets by hitting my set on the flop. But with that flush board, Id be very afraid to be so aggresive. Too much chance to be drawing dead. Especially the Turn. eew! Id prolly fold at turn.

think about this statement. you WIN lots when you hit your set, but you cant get aggressive when the flush is up. hmmmm, sounds like because of the flushy boards you cant play a set as aggressively as you should to make up for the limited structure of this game. you cant get a whole stack like NL, so maxxing the times you do hit becomes more important to making the "chase" profitable.

and, number two....you didnt mention how often you MISS after cold calling with pp's.

you just cant set hunt pp's like you can in NL games. and, the chart to which you refer is likely talking about very loose, very passive full ring limit games. some games just arent like that anymore.

food for thought.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

DrivingDog

12-17-2008, 10:24 PM

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I don't mind the cold call preflop here. We're on the btn, and it's likely it'll be five or six way, our opponents are loose, and it's unlikely to get three bet preflop. Why not set mine?

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

Chopper

12-17-2008, 10:34 PM

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just a general statement to get him thinking about WHEN its appropriate. here it may well be, but in alot of situations, i think we agree cold-calling with small/mid pps as a default will lead to trouble.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

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