Originally Posted by Chopper

i suck at math, so correct me, plz...

i am looking at my CBet% and, i see that i cbet a shitload of the time. i think correctly, but a shitload nonetheless.

i CBet the flop about 71% of the time and the turn about 79%. i imagine these numbers increase because i like to fire on scare cards, i am valuebetting, i obviously fire when i improve and you only called, and because, in limit, the 2 barrel is really just a NL cbet....no one folds the flop, but they all seem to fold the turn. i just had no idea it was that high!

however, i am successful 20% of the time on the flop and 14% on the turn. so, lets do some math...

assume multi-way pot. i raise in position (or not, who really cares at my limits...lol), and pick up two callers and the blinds fold. that puts 2+2+2+1 sb in the pot....on average....for a 7sb pot on the flop. now, i fire 1sb into 7sb's offering my callers 8:1.

1) why do they fold 20% of the time? that just seems stupid.
2) dont i only have to fold them off 14.3% (1/7) to break even? therefore, my 20% success rate is MASSIVELY profitable?
3) if i only have to be correct 14%, yet they only need to have 13% equity, why on earth are we ever checking ANY flop, and why are they EVER, i mean EVER folding?

i understand that if you bet into me, and i completely whiff with 79s, i am dumping that hand. but, why would i ever fold Ahi? or, better yet, why wouldn't i raise your ass back at least 50% of the time w/ any potential whatsoever?

seems to me, limit should just become one great big dick swinging contest that only ends when you finally decide your ass hurts worse than mine.

amiatallrite?

Originally Posted by Airles™

How many players are you c-betting into? I'm c-betting a HU pot way more than a multi-way, obviously because the chance my hand is still best goes down the more players in. But you know this. Is there a way to filter this in PT so we can find our true CBET% in HU pots vs multi-way? An honest c-better would be somewhere between 30-50% right?

Originally Posted by LawDude

But if I were you, I would try to start watching for whether players start playing your c-bets differently later in a session. Do they adapt to what you are doing (say, by raising more of your c-bets) or do they play against you more or less the same as the session moves on. And if you check a flop on pot you raised pre-flop, do they give you a chance to check-raise by betting into you. That will give you some clue as to whether c-betting is affecting your table image in any way.

Originally Posted by Chopper

seems to me, limit should just become one great big dick swinging contest that only ends when you finally decide your ass hurts worse than mine.

Originally Posted by siltstrider

Do you usually play 6max or FR? Have you noticed a big difference between the two in terms of people willing to fight back/call down?