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Old 10-01-2008, 05:12 PM     Post subject: recent sessions.. #1 (permalink)  
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i didnt stick too long on these tables, so the sessions are short. i suppose the tables collapsed rather quickly, but idk.

session one... http://www.weaktight.com/s6365

session two... http://www.weaktight.com/s6366

session three... http://www.weaktight.com/s6367

i think i make some solid laydowns. i also think, if you look at the villain in a particular hand with me, i think you can see going for thin value against passives and semibluffing some regs/aggros.

where i think i need the help is either confirming that most (<50%) is likely variance based on the way i played it and likely ranges. and, maybe some tips on getting away from some hands instead of continually paying off in medium sized pots. and, i think you will see that i can confuse myself with marginal hands when i dont know where i stand, and i just give up when i may still have good equity. thanks.

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Old 10-01-2008, 07:43 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i'll look at it early in the morning, my head is exploding after a tough day... -350$ at 2/4 (2k hands)
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Old 10-02-2008, 01:07 AM #3 (permalink)  
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where/what did you do? so, next time i can do it ahead of time. was it just the space to make them turn blue?
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Old 10-02-2008, 01:56 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 yea and there was no www in the links
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Old 10-02-2008, 02:25 AM #5 (permalink)  
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yea and there was no www in the links
cool...thx.

once asp and i can find the discussable hands in there, i'd appreciate your input, too.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:10 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 I will take a quick browse through at the major pot played.\

Session 1:

set of 10's- just a cooler nothing you can do there

I hate the check-call after 3betting AKo out of position preflop. I bet/bet-fold that board against sane opponents.

Session 2:

98s hand - I lead out so hopefully the villain raises with whatever to knock out the players behind us on that drawy board.

J7s - can't fold the turn getting 4:1 with a flush draw, and possibly a J or even 7 as an out.

Session 3

55- I like waiting until the turn to price out draws with a raise

AJ- bet that turn after check raising the monotone Ace high flop. Dont let him draw to a heart with a shitty ace for free

1010- I like the call down
Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
 
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:13 AM #7 (permalink)  
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i keep getting this EM and cant see the sessions:

A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete.

Script: http://weaktight.com/js/wt_session_wt3.js:280
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For the right to be governed, waste them without mercy.
When you've decided. Meet me at the airport.
 
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Old 10-02-2008, 01:29 PM #8 (permalink)  
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how do i stop it? lol....computer retard here.

thanks, korn. i'll review the remarks. but, off the top, it looks like i drop some hands in critical spots, and i do, but i bet when i go back through and look at villains AFs, they were passive. i tend to play fit or fold against them since they dont seem to bluff often.

thanks for the time.
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Old 10-02-2008, 03:08 PM #9 (permalink)  
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It must be my pc, i'll try to sort it out. In the meantime, let me remind you that you never turned in your video homework!!!!
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Old 10-02-2008, 04:44 PM #10 (permalink)  
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you fag.....i still need to d/l some software to make one. but, i think it may be time, as we can also start throwing in some other "mixed games," too.

it may help to play some "poker, etc" hands and post those over there because strat articles are few and far between, but the games are seemingly juicy at the lower stakes.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:00 PM #11 (permalink)  
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sent the EM to weaktight support, so i can see those sessions!!!!!
I wanna comment!!!!! :P
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Old 10-02-2008, 10:46 PM #12 (permalink)  
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lol. you guys are killing me.

if a couple reasonable minds take the time....hopefully about 5-10 minutes....we can do some more of this. and, determine if vids are the way to go for review or if its just easier to scan through HHs in session form to see the "involved pots."
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Old 10-03-2008, 01:20 AM #13 (permalink)  
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you know i would personally prefer a video with comments, but i have no problems with the session HHs
The video just gives a lot more info on thought process, timing, feel, image...

I really dont know what's wrong with my java script that i get that EM on weaktight, i'll keep looking
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Old 10-03-2008, 02:01 AM #14 (permalink)  
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i'll put some other sessions up shortly.

i'll also add a poll to see where some of you think i played by giving it a grade for overall. but, i may like to hear some additional comments on...

- value extraction
- fundamental line play
- spew

other categories or suggestions welcome.

where we would give a letter grade (A B C D F) for each area. or, maybe we go scale of 1-10....i think thats better.

so, please post your assessment of my play, if you will...

Korn, i assume you would look about like this...

overall = 5/10
value = 6/10
fundamentals = 5/10
spew control = 7/10
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Old 10-03-2008, 08:48 AM #15 (permalink)  
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how about...

PF play
flop play
turn play
river play
aggression
multiway pots
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Old 10-03-2008, 08:57 AM #16 (permalink)  
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value extraction
now by this you either mean
a. value-betting light
b. gaining more bets from your big hands

Value-betting is easy, but you'll never know until you try, so in your next session every time you wonder, go ahead and bet. I mean, I valuebet so much that I'm probably turning my hand into a bluff every once in a while or just flat out making a -EV bet but I've been called down so light so many times that I understand the +EV of it.

I "value-town" myself a good bit, however, I can justify at least 2 streets (flop+turn) as protecting my hand against possible draws and I can certainly find a range of worse hands that might look me up on the river.

I valuebet King hi today on a 99886 3tone board (flush came in on river, got called by JT). It just takes time to read someone's line, understand if they have weak-made hands, ace-hi type hands, or draws, and then valuebet accordingly.
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Old 10-03-2008, 11:36 AM #17 (permalink)  
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I BLUFFED King hi today on a 99886 3tone board (flush came in on river, got CURIOUSITY-CALLED by JT). It just takes time to read someone's line, understand if they have weak-made hands, ace-hi type hands, or draws, and then valuebet accordingly.
fyp.

I agree with the principle however. Some people make ridiculous calldowns and a lot will call down light. There's so much paranoia in LHE and so many people calling 'for information' that you should be willing to make some light value bets on the river.
"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
 
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Old 10-03-2008, 11:54 AM #18 (permalink)  
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 no i was valuebetting

sepfically QT/QJ/JT

hee limped the button and had been raising Ax
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Old 10-03-2008, 02:34 PM #19 (permalink)  
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... so many people calling 'for information' ...
i love it when people think that calling gives them anything. calling for information is a huge oxymoron. and, i agree there are a lot of players that still think this way.

i also dont doubt spenda WAS valuebetting there. i cant do it with Khi, yet, but i can with Ahi there. although, maybe not with the flush completing on the river...certainly not with Khi.

obv, i was focusing more on part a. valuebetting light. although, i'm certainly no pro in part b either.

however, even though there is a lot of work still needed, i feel i am very much improved in these two areas. i use relative position well enough in big pots, i feel i understand the concept on a more subconscious level when it comes to seeing at what will build the biggest pot for the next street. or how to snuff that aggression and keep it a bit smaller. and, i am loosening my requirements to fire that final salvo on a river (mostly into stations, tho).

its a slow process, but i think it requires a person becoming comfortable with losing some in an effort to learn. hopefully, i am reaching that point. because even though i am not slaughtering games, i feel i am playing some of the best poker i have ever played. i may still be taking my "one step back," but i am confident the "two steps forward" is just around the corner.

thanks for the help.
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Old 10-03-2008, 03:38 PM #20 (permalink)  
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no i was valuebetting

sepfically QT/QJ/JT

hee limped the button and had been raising Ax
I guess it depends on who your opponent is. If he calls with worse than K high that is pretty funny.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:26 AM #21 (permalink)  
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 boooooooooored and half-drunk

PokerStars Game #20912532872: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/10/04 2:24:59 ET
Table 'Gudula' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: LolTrappedU ($25.40 in chips)
Seat 2: Jaquelot ($34 in chips)
LolTrappedU: posts small blind $0.25
Jaquelot: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LolTrappedU [Td 4d]
LolTrappedU: raises $0.50 to $1
Jaquelot: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Js Ks 8s]
Jaquelot: checks
LolTrappedU: checks
*** TURN *** [Js Ks 8s] [3h]
Jaquelot: checks
LolTrappedU: checks
*** RIVER *** [Js Ks 8s 3h] [Ts]
Jaquelot: checks
LolTrappedU: bets $1
Jaquelot: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LolTrappedU: shows [Td 4d] (a pair of Tens)
Jaquelot: mucks hand
LolTrappedU collected $3.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4 | Rake $0.15
Board [Js Ks 8s 3h Ts]
Seat 1: LolTrappedU (button) (small blind) showed [Td 4d] and won ($3.85) with a pair of Tens
Seat 2: Jaquelot (big blind) mucked [Ac 8h]

PokerStars Game #20912664452: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/10/04 2:36:20 ET
Table 'Gudula' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: LolTrappedU ($34.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Jaquelot ($20.50 in chips)
LolTrappedU: posts small blind $0.25
Jaquelot: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LolTrappedU [6d 5c]
LolTrappedU: raises $0.50 to $1
Jaquelot: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [3s 8c Js]
Jaquelot: checks
LolTrappedU: checks
*** TURN *** [3s 8c Js] [Qc]
Jaquelot: checks
LolTrappedU: checks
*** RIVER *** [3s 8c Js Qc] [5d]
Jaquelot: checks
LolTrappedU: bets $1
Jaquelot: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LolTrappedU: shows [6d 5c] (a pair of Fives)
Jaquelot: mucks hand
LolTrappedU collected $3.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4 | Rake $0.15
Board [3s 8c Js Qc 5d]
Seat 1: LolTrappedU (button) (small blind) showed [6d 5c] and won ($3.85) with a pair of Fives
Seat 2: Jaquelot (big blind) mucked [Kh Tc]
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Old 10-04-2008, 03:01 PM #22 (permalink)  
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i dont think i even consider those "thin." he seems like a check monkey. and, i think that Ahi calls these bets all day....sometimes worse if you keep popping pf. you can valuebet thick (opposite of thin...lol) with bottom pair, imo.

HU is a different animal, to me.

and, half drunk is a B E A YOOTIFULL thing!!

however, what do you do in hand one if he raises you on the flop?
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Old 10-04-2008, 07:28 PM #23 (permalink)  
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 Im not sure if we're looking at the same hands, I didn't cbet hand 1 and on the end I have 3rd pair in a small pot on a 4-flush board, that's pretty thin.
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Old 10-04-2008, 08:16 PM #24 (permalink)  
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i stand corrected. that is much thinner that whatever the hell thought i saw. i didnt see the four flush, but a 3 flush wouldnt keep me from betting on the river in an orphan pot.

and, by raise, i guess mean bet. what do you do if he fires at you on the flop? or, what do you do on the flop if YOU have the 8. fire? i would fire two, maybe three, streets in position because i can only assume that HU a J or K raises you at some point in the hand.
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 against this guy I was value-towning everything. I just started adjusting and not cbetting at all and he never adjusted to that and I just owned him and took his stack which was like $35 when we started

I play like 300 HU hands at .5/1 and the rake was absolutely atrocious, I don't see how the game could ever be profitable at that level or even 1/2 or 2/4. 300 hands and raked $19, so that means 2 things:

1. The rake really sucks, at 6BBs/100 that's ridic. to me
2. I think we should tighten up PF, because the rake is so bad it may be -EV to play as many pots. I opened 87% otb, which, I think stox says is about as low as you want to go, so meh.

Also, my w$@sd was 39%, LAWL
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Also, my w$@sd was 39%, LAWL
this part struck me as odd. and, i'm sure i'm missing something. how can this be on a HU table? were you taking everything you won down w/o showing? was he that big a tight ass? i would be valuetowning everything against him, too.

one thing i like is in HEFAP's short-handed section. basically, "if villain folds 40%+, you should bet everything relentlessly until he adjusts...no matter your cards." sounds like this guy was the player they were talking about.

i'm sure rake blows and its not +EV to play these tables often. but, you were half drunk..... so, .
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Old 10-05-2008, 06:38 AM #27 (permalink)  
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 i only won 40% of showdowns, that's pretty bad I would think for show and tell hold'em.
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