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08-11-2005, 01:57 PM
Post subject: recent AA hand, big pot, river completes flush, best action?
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4-of-a-Kind
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UTG with AA, open raise
preflop is capped with 5 people seeing the flop.
flop a 2 flush with a K on board. i bet out, someone raises, i 3bet, and everyone calls. 3 people seeing the turn.
turn is a blank, i bet, they both call.
river completes the flush.
pot is roughly 15BB right now. best action is....
a) check/call 1 back
b) check/fold 2 back
c) bet/call back
d) bet/fold 2 back
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TylerK
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08-11-2005, 02:03 PM
Post subject: Re: recent AA hand, big pot, river completes flush, best act
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Originally Posted by hypermegachi
UTG with AA, open raise
preflop is capped with 5 people seeing the flop.
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Bet, call a raise, fold to a raise and a reraise. People like to desperately rep flush cards on the river. And you kill yourself if the river gets checked through.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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rubixstreub
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Nice question and a situation we all find ourselves in more than enough times.
I vote D.Anyone with the flush is guaranteed to raise (or anyone who can beat a pair). If they call you they probably were playing the King hoping to out kick you, and you win more. Really be watching the guy who didn't raise you and see what he does. I'd probably call down the original raiser if he tries to get clever on the river, but not the quiet guy...
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TylerK
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Good point. I really hate any line that includes a fold for one bet in a pot this big though.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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A'aag
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08-11-2005, 03:10 PM
Post subject: Re: recent AA hand, big pot, river completes flush, best act
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Originally Posted by hypermegachi
preflop is capped with 5 people seeing the flop.
flop a 2 flush with a K on board. i bet out, someone raises, i 3bet, and everyone calls. 3 people seeing the turn.
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D for me almost every time.
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Fnord
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08-11-2005, 05:50 PM
Post subject: Re: recent AA hand, big pot, river completes flush, best act
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by hypermegachi
preflop is capped with 5 people seeing the flop.
flop a 2 flush with a K on board. i bet out, someone raises, i 3bet, and everyone calls. 3 people seeing the turn.
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Action is a little confusing. 2 players folded on the flop, right?
Generally, in these situations I'm concerned about the guy that cold called post-flop. If he hit, would he be silly enough to go for an over-call?
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i posted this from memory so i'm not 100% sure that what i said is what happened...i'll post the exact hand history later when i get home, i'm at work right now 
lol speaking of which i'm not even sure if there was a king on the flop anymore...i just remember there being tons of aggression preflop and the flop. but the river is common enough for discussion.
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hmmmm my memory sucks...
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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , A .
Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero caps, UTG+2 calls, Button calls, BB calls.
Flop: (16.50 SB) 9, Q, 7 (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, Button folds, BB calls.
Turn: (9.75 BB) 5 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, BB calls.
River: (12.75 BB) T (4 players)
BB checks
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A'aag
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Yeah I always bet this river. Obviously you run into the flush sometimes, but these goofballs could have anything. If UTG+2 raises and BB calls, I think you have to overcall because the pot is so big, but I would fold to a check/3-bet.
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euphoricism
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This is an easy one. 8 way preflop? Easy move: Cry. No.. ermm..
Wow. Uh, BB cold called the 3 bet preflop. How much of a donk is he?
I think i check call, but I'm a really really passive river player.
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Oh come on, without betting you don't know where you stand. There is a very good chance no one has the flush and if you check you lose, what, 3 bets (one from each player?) if your hand is best. Or you may lose a bet because someone else bets and you just call to end the action... since you don't want to get reraised back. Now if you bet, someone raises and you call to find out that person has AK, you just won many more bets 
If someone has the flush you lose two bets by betting once and calling once. Don't call reraises though :/
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Is check/calling the river missing value?
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Is check/calling the river missing value?
-'rilla
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in this particular instance...yeah. it would appear that most people hear agree that you will miss more bets than save bets. thus there is slightly more EV by bet/calling then check/calling, given the possibility of someone like AK raising the river.
needless to say, i think it's probably pretty close EV for the difference.
anyways, i check called this, and BB calls behind me. no flush.
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euphoricism
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I see a strong case for a bet/fold. Only the flush is raising, everything else is calling.
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A'aag
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
I see a strong case for a bet/fold. Only the flush is raising, everything else is calling.
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Yeah I would expect to be beaten most of the time, but I don't think I can fold getting at least 15:1.
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
I see a strong case for a bet/fold. Only the flush is raising, everything else is calling.
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Yeah I would expect to be beaten most of the time, but I don't think I can fold getting at least 15:1. |
Exactly. How can you be 95% sure that someone isn't too happy with a pair? I've seen people go ape shit about having top pair.
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