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Fnord
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05-03-2005, 04:28 PM
Post subject: Reads baby!
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MP2 is LAgg
MP1 is semi-aware, but plays too many hands
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: Fnord is UTG+1 with 9 , 9 .
1 fold, Fnord raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 3-bets, 1 fold, CO calls, 3 folds, Fnord calls, MP1 calls.
Flop: (13.33 SB) 4, 2, K (4 players)
Fnord checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, CO folds, Fnord calls.
Turn: (8.16 BB) 7 (3 players)
Fnord checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Fnord raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.
River: (14.16 BB) 4 (3 players)
Fnord bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.
Final Pot: 16.16 BB
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Element187
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your bet UTG leads me to think you got a good hand, mp2's 3 bet says AK, but only calls on the flop when a K hits, so he doesnt have a king.
mp1 on a flush draw, semi bluffing... folds the river no heart.
mp2, AQ ?
if mp2 has a lower pocket pair then your nines.. all i can say is bad bad baaaaaaaaaad player.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Element187
your bet UTG leads me to think you got a good hand, mp2's 3 bet says AK, but only calls on the flop when a K hits, so he doesnt have a king.
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MP2 is raising 25% Pre-flop. He's got Ax, any pocket pair, big Kx and perhaps lots of other stuff here.
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Tripps7
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For some reason it seems the fish have been betting\raising their flush draws a lot more lately. I don't know if this is a new trend or I just didn't notice it as much before.
I can almost see the tears when I 3 bet their arse...
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Fnord
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Yeah leading into the aggressor with a draw seems to be all the rage.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by Tripps7
For some reason it seems the fish have been betting\raising their flush draws a lot more lately. I don't know if this is a new trend or I just didn't notice it as much before.
I can almost see the tears when I 3 bet their arse...
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nothing wrong with betting flush draws, just not into the preflop aggressors
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Element187
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Element187
your bet UTG leads me to think you got a good hand, mp2's 3 bet says AK, but only calls on the flop when a K hits, so he doesnt have a king.
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MP2 is raising 25% Pre-flop. He's got Ax, any pocket pair, big Kx and perhaps lots of other stuff here. |
so im half right.
he will 3 bet with ace rag ?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Element187
so im half right.
he will 3 bet with ace rag ?
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Maybe. He's been acting kinda tilty too
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Tripps7
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Originally Posted by Element187
nothing wrong with betting flush draws, just not into the preflop aggressors
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I know. I bet mine at the right time but I was referring to betting the flop in EP into a preflop raiser in late position...
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Element187
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Originally Posted by Tripps7
For some reason it seems the fish have been betting\raising their flush draws a lot more lately. I don't know if this is a new trend or I just didn't notice it as much before.
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i figured out the riddle... last weeks poker corner on the wpt they talked about the difference between bluffing and semi bluffing... thats why everyone is semi bluffing in limit.
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storm75m
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I put MP2 on JJ, 10 10 or QQ. This explains his preflop agg, then calling down once the over hit.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by storm75m
I put MP2 on JJ, 10 10 or QQ.
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I have him at 25% PFR over 3 or 4 orbits. Your range is way too weak/tight.
How about this...
KK-22
AQ-A2 (both offsuit and sooted)
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Element187
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Originally Posted by storm75m
I put MP2 on JJ, 10 10 or QQ.
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I have him at 25% PFR over 3 or 4 orbits. Your range is way too weak/tight.
How about this...
KK-22
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i was saying AQ because he 3 bet you... now im thinking more like A7o
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Yeah, and he was playing nearly every hand too, just shy of 90% VP$IP.
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Hello everyone!! I've been lurking on your board for quite a while now but never really felt the need to post here, mostly because the regular posters are obviously pretty good and I've only been playing HE for about 2 years now. Anyways, I just had a quick question about this hand, and by no means am I questioning the judgement of the player in this hand, just curious. Why the check raise on the turn into two players when virtually half the deck is gonna be a scare card for you on the river? I realize you equity edge went way up when the turn was a blank assuming neither one has a King or an overpair to your 9s, but still, MP2 could easily have QQ-TT, and if MP1 is bad enough to cold call PF he could have any Kx offsuit here even, especially since he comes out firing on the flop. In any case, I'm not ripping the decision, I'm just always trying to learn from other players. Thanks.
BTW, are there usually that many horrid players at the online 3/6 games?? I would have loved to see what the CO had that hand.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by I_got_the_nuts
Hello everyone!! I've been lurking on your board for quite a while now but never really felt the need to post here, mostly because the regular posters are obviously pretty good and I've only been playing HE for about 2 years now. Anyways, I just had a quick question about this hand, and by no means am I questioning the judgement of the player in this hand, just curious. Why the check raise on the turn into two players when virtually half the deck is gonna be a scare card for you on the river? I realize you equity edge went way up when the turn was a blank assuming neither one has a King or an overpair to your 9s, but still, MP2 could easily have QQ-TT, and if MP1 is bad enough to cold call PF he could have any Kx offsuit here even, especially since he comes out firing on the flop. In any case, I'm not ripping the decision, I'm just always trying to learn from other players. Thanks.
BTW, are there usually that many horrid players at the online 3/6 games?? I would have loved to see what the CO had that hand.
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fnord gave us his table read .. tilted maniac and another player who is semi aware..
reads change play alot.. .and if its an fnord read, you can probably set your watch to it.
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MP1 thought a good 10 sec before folding. In retrospect I wonder if he did lay something down. MP2 calls and shows 88. MHIG!
When I make a play like this part of me is saying "at you out of your fucking mind? Is being over-bankrolled for this game making you too LAggy?" It's always nice when a cute play actually works...
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honsheung
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why not a rasie with your 99 at flop
seems that they are waiting for an A
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storm75m
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Originally Posted by Fnord
When I make a play like this part of me is saying "at you out of your fucking mind? Is being over-bankrolled for this game making you too LAggy?" It's always nice when a cute play actually works...
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heehee, being over-bankrolled for a game or playing with money that you don't care about can be a real eye opener... playing with no fear...
Did this yesterday and tripled up (50NL) in 30 mins by calling down people that were full of crap. (Very bad calls... but i was on "happy" tilt from dominating 2 $30 SNG's in a row)
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