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bigspenda73
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07-05-2006, 07:07 AM
Post subject: Reading players in Limit Hold'em
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So I i was at my local casino yesterday playing a 4/8 hold'em game which generally and repeatedly does bring out very loose and bad players. However, this is not the problem. Im taking this as a poll to everyone out there. In this game the action was moving very quickly and there were many players in every pot, anywhere from 6-8 preflop with atleast half staying to the river. My question is, is there anyway to read anyone in these games? Is there anyway to read the situation with more players in the pot? I know limit holdem strategies, however, these other players do not. I generally win a little bit of cash each time but I would obviously like to do better. I guess what I am trying to say is, am I wasting my time trying to get reads at such a low limit? Has anyone had long lasting success at these types of game. Please respond with any advice. Thank you
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If you're looking for information for reads consult Mike Caro's Book of Tells. Outside of that you're going to have to use your own judgement on your opponents' range of hands, given position and play and then decide when you are ahead and such.
Say, take notice of what your opponents showdown. If you see them play hands like 93s, then you know they are playing any two suited and them calling down to the river with a flush draw is much more likely and can save yourself a bet or two on the river if a flush comes in. Other things to look for are:
-Cold Calling Range
-What does Opponent limp UTG
-How aggressive does he play Top pair/draws
The best information are the hands at showdown, constantly see what hands are winning what and remember the action on every street. It doesn't take long to classify opponents if you pay attention, usually within the first 1/2 an hour or so.
Also, welcome to the forum.
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bigspenda73
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Thanks, I am glad I found this site while poking around on the Internet. I really like your showdown idea, I am relatively new to live play having just moved to LV. I have found the most challenging part in a slower live game compared to online is staying focused in the hands I am not in. To clear up my post, I think the hardest thing about reading these tables is that there is such a wide variety of hands your opponent can have. A seemingly harmless board of k 10 8 6 2 could have someone holding two pair w/ something like 10 6. That is why limit is a hard read. I am just trying to save myself bets on the turn and flop. That is my leak and I need to plug it.
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tbone
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07-05-2006, 03:40 PM
Post subject: Reads
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Ive played these games alot as well and unfortunatley I dont think reading these players is capable or worth anything. These people will call with any two cards. I change my game completely for these Loose B&M games. I play very tight but cap pots with Suited or Gapped connectors. Becuase against these types of tables it usually takes more then two pair to win. So if you get enough money into the pot preflop then you create the odds to chase draws. Do you know the percentage of times AA gets beat with 4 or more callers. And its all about saving money in these games if the flop dont fit quit.
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elipsesjeff
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07-05-2006, 04:07 PM
Post subject: Re: Reads
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Originally Posted by tbone
I play very tight but cap pots with Suited or Gapped connectors. Becuase against these types of tables it usually takes more then two pair to win. So if you get enough money into the pot preflop then you create the odds to chase draws. Do you know the percentage of times AA gets beat with 4 or more callers. And its all about saving money in these games if the flop dont fit quit.
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Ugh, could someone else debunk this guy's logic cuz I really don't feel like it.
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outphase
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yadda yadda, preflop spewage...
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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To make sure you're taking down these pots, you'll need to be showing down the best hand, and it'll need to be a whopper. Sets, Straights, Boats and Flushes. But if you keep your pre-flop hand selection tight, you won't bleed chips while you wait for them to come in. The pots will usually be huge, and you'll white-knuckle it the whole way. 
Good Luck!
-Kes
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07-07-2006, 03:00 AM
Post subject: Re: Reads
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Originally Posted by tbone
I play very tight but cap pots with Suited or Gapped connectors. Becuase against these types of tables it usually takes more then two pair to win. So if you get enough money into the pot preflop then you create the odds to chase draws. Do you know the percentage of times AA gets beat with 4 or more callers. And its all about saving money in these games if the flop dont fit quit.
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why don't you just add in $50 to the pot so you can call the flop on a backdoor draw?
it's true that you need a straight/flush to beat a higher pocket pair. that doesn't mean that any suited/connected hand has the equity to raise preflop.
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