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losttrem
Old 07-11-2007, 01:03 AM     Post subject: Razz tournament hand... misplay oder bad luck? #1 (permalink)  
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I am totally new to Razz only playing it since yesterday. The following hand ocurred during a tournament. Did I play this correctly? With his ten showing I knew I was ahead on fifth street and that is why I bet it so hard. But I have no clue about how much of a favourite I have been. So is this standard? I certainly blew up the pot enough to give him odds for calling me down afterwards.

PokerStars Game #10874400782: Tournament #54722252, $10+$1 Razz Limit - Level V (80/160) - 2007/07/10 - 20:51:26 (ET)
Table '54722252 6' 8-max
Seat 1: Eddie05 (2903 in chips)
Seat 2: LOONaTIC #1 (3113 in chips)
Seat 3: thegpc (4466 in chips)
Seat 4: marybronx (1083 in chips)
Seat 5: linglemungo (1741 in chips)
Seat 6: pennygame (3693 in chips)
Seat 7: imagoose (2418 in chips)
Seat 8: losttrem (5110 in chips)
Eddie05: posts the ante 16
LOONaTIC #1: posts the ante 16
thegpc: posts the ante 16
marybronx: posts the ante 16
linglemungo: posts the ante 16
pennygame: posts the ante 16
imagoose: posts the ante 16
losttrem: posts the ante 16
*** 3rd STREET ***????4c]
Dealt to Eddie05 [4c]
Dealt to LOONaTIC #1 [4s]
Dealt to thegpc [8s]
Dealt to marybronx [Kh]
Dealt to linglemungo [4d]
Dealt to pennygame [5c]
Dealt to imagoose [Kc]
Dealt to losttrem [6d 7d Ad]
marybronx: brings in for 24
linglemungo: folds
pennygame: calls 24
imagoose: folds
losttrem: raises 56 to 80
Eddie05: raises 80 to 160
LOONaTIC #1: folds
thegpc: calls 160
marybronx: folds
pennygame: calls 136
losttrem: calls 80
*** 4th STREET ***Th]
Dealt to Eddie05 [4c] [Th]
Dealt to thegpc [8s] [9h]
Dealt to pennygame [5c] [8h]
Dealt to losttrem [6d 7d Ad] [2c]
losttrem: bets 80
Eddie05: calls 80
thegpc: folds
pennygame: calls 80
*** 5th STREET ***7c]
Dealt to Eddie05 [4c Th] [7c]
Dealt to pennygame [5c 8h] [5s]
Dealt to losttrem [6d 7d Ad 2c] [8c]
losttrem: bets 160
Eddie05: raises 160 to 320
pennygame: folds
losttrem: raises 160 to 480
Eddie05: calls 160
*** 6th STREET ***7h]
Dealt to Eddie05 [4c Th 7c] [7h]
Dealt to losttrem [6d 7d Ad 2c 8c] [3h]
losttrem: bets 160
Eddie05: calls 160
*** RIVER ***??]
Dealt to losttrem [6d 7d Ad 2c 8c 3h] [Jc]
losttrem: bets 160
Eddie05: calls 160
*** SHOW DOWN ***
losttrem: shows [6d 7d Ad 2c 8c 3h Jc] (Lo: 7,6,3,2,A)
Eddie05: shows [Ac 3c 4c Th 7c 7h 2s] (Lo: 7,4,3,2,A)
Eddie05 collected 2632 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2632 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Eddie05 showed [Ac 3c 4c Th 7c 7h 2s] and won (2632) with Lo: 7,4,3,2,A
Seat 2: LOONaTIC #1 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 3: thegpc folded on the 4th Street
Seat 4: marybronx folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 5: linglemungo folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pennygame folded on the 5th Street
Seat 7: imagoose folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: losttrem showed [6d 7d Ad 2c 8c 3h Jc] and lost with Lo: 7,6,3,2,A
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:07 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 This is why
This is why
This is why Razz sucks

Pretty obv what he has on 6th street. I would not bet this river(7th), worse hands never call if he is competent at all. Check to induce a bluff and call.
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Old 07-11-2007, 07:24 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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This is why
This is why
This is why Razz sucks

Pretty obv what he has on 6th street. I would not bet this river(7th), worse hands never call if he is competent at all. Check to induce a bluff and call.
Are you kidding spenda? Hands like this are why Razz is AWESOME. You want the fish raising you on fifth when you have board lock and you know he has to catch. He bricks often enough in this spot to say "nh guy."

I agree though check to induce a bluff on 7th.

OP got 4 bets in when he had villian drawing to 6 outs (One 5+2 are both burned). Not much more you can ask for. There's an argument for not pushing your edge on 5th, but meh, how can you pass up the oppurtunity to get in an extra bet when he's drawing that thin, you know you're ahead, and you know he's going to call another bet behind if he catches bad on 6th.

Saying This is why Razz sucks is being way too results oriented, OP got a metric asston of Sklanskquity in this pot.

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Old 07-11-2007, 01:33 PM #4 (permalink)  
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So was my play correct? As said I am totally new to Razz and I dont have much of a clue about probabilities in Razz. I read somewhere that a smooth draw on fifth street is a slight favourite against a made nine low. In this case I had a made eight low. How much of a favourite was I on fifth street? I probably was a good favourite on sixth when opp paired the 7 on board.
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Old 07-11-2007, 06:20 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Villian is not drawing smooth here, he's got 6 outs to win and can't tie when you spike the 3 on 6th. Drawing smooth usually means you have 12 live outs when your opponent has a made 7 or 8. The only non-standard play I see here is leading on 7th as opposed to check/calling. No worse hands call you.
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Old 07-11-2007, 06:33 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Razz sucks so hard cuz it's such a stupid game.

These are my favorite hands I've played in Horse tourneys lately that illustrate how bad Razz sucks:

Me: A2 3444 A
Villain: A7 88J6 2

Yea, woohooo, I can't even make a shitty hand when I want to. In other news, I've become dominant in PLO8b HUsng's (just ask gmml and hartlin).
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Old 07-11-2007, 06:59 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Bricking 12 outs 3 times does kind of blow.
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Old 07-12-2007, 03:21 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 OP should have capped preflop. Everything else was very good. You were outdrawn massively on 7th, thats poker. I would still Vbet the river with a made 7 as a made 8 may call
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Old 07-13-2007, 05:51 PM #9 (permalink)  
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OP should have capped preflop. Everything else was very good. You were outdrawn massively on 7th, thats poker. I would still Vbet the river with a made 7 as a made 8 may call
Thought process being he catches perfect so infrequently, and there's a chance he already has an 8, which he won't fold to one bet on the river, so vbet is the right play?
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:44 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 exactly. Sure he calls we he catches perfect. He also calls much wider than this including with any made hand he has already been betting that you beat. I think a vbet is massively +EV here and id do it everytime
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