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givememyleg
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10-18-2007, 07:09 AM
Post subject: Razz - Paired 4th card?
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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PokerStars Game #12694098465: HORSE (Razz Limit, $0.50/$1.00) - 2007/10/18 - 02:02:44 (ET)
Table 'Erinome V' 8-max
Seat 1: getthedough ($29.90 in chips)
Seat 2: givememyleg ($35.55 in chips)
Seat 3: **JML*** ($17.40 in chips)
Seat 4: fullhouse54 ($18.35 in chips)
Seat 5: 549524656 ($1.70 in chips)
Seat 6: sajanora ($15.95 in chips)
Seat 7: mabel10 ($8.35 in chips)
Seat 8: erock216 ($16.95 in chips)
givememyleg: posts the ante $0.05
**JML***: posts the ante $0.05
fullhouse54: posts the ante $0.05
549524656: posts the ante $0.05
sajanora: posts the ante $0.05
mabel10: posts the ante $0.05
erock216: posts the ante $0.05
getthedough: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to getthedough [Ks]
Dealt to givememyleg [As 5s 3c]
Dealt to **JML*** [Kd]
Dealt to fullhouse54 [6c]
Dealt to 549524656 [Ts]
Dealt to sajanora [Jh]
Dealt to mabel10 [4c]
Dealt to erock216 [9s]
getthedough: brings in for $0.25
givememyleg: raises $0.25 to $0.50
**JML*** said, "ship it"
getthedough said, "haha"
getthedough said, "u got me"
**JML***: folds
fullhouse54: folds
549524656: folds
sajanora: folds
mabel10: folds
erock216: calls $0.50
getthedough: folds
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to givememyleg [As 5s 3c] [3s]
Dealt to erock216 [9s] [7h]
erock216: bets $0.50
givememyleg: raises $0.50 to $1
erock216: raises $0.50 to $1.50
givememyleg: raises $0.50 to $2
Betting is capped
erock216: calls $0.50
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to givememyleg [As 5s 3c 3s] [Qs]
Dealt to erock216 [9s 7h] [5h]
erock216: bets $1
givememyleg: calls $1
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to givememyleg [As 5s 3c 3s Qs] [2c]
Dealt to erock216 [9s 7h 5h] [Qc]
erock216: bets $1
givememyleg: calls $1
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to givememyleg [As 5s 3c 3s Qs 2c] [7c]
erock216: bets $1
givememyleg: raises $1 to $2
erock216: calls $1
Villain is very bad at all games. Did I kinda go crazy on 4th?
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TLR
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When he calls your reraise on 3rd you have to assume he has 2 baby cards in the hole.
I would call 4th and fold 5th.
You got lucky with runner runner cards on 6th and 7th
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dsaxton
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Why did you raise 4th street? Pairs are bad.
On 5th you're probably drawing almost dead, so I can't see calling.
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givememyleg
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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Gah I don't know what I was really thinking. I guess I thought since he had 97 showing and I had a pair he was just playing at me. I should have def folded on 5th.
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wesrman
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12-15-2007, 03:55 AM
Post subject: Razz.....
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Full House
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Nice to be in a froum where people are posting Razz hands.
I think im gonna like it here.
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TLR
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Razz is a fun game, I personally suck at it...
DO you know of any decent Razz guides online ?
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wesrman
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12-15-2007, 07:38 AM
Post subject: Ill see..
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Full House
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Not off hand but i remember reading a bunch on it, ill see what i can find and get back to you. I love all versions of stud (razz being stud lo). Stud has become my favourite game.
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TLR
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by wesrman
Not off hand but i remember reading a bunch on it, ill see what i can find and get back to you. I love all versions of stud (razz being stud lo). Stud has become my favourite game.
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Thanks
I perosnally prefer stud 8 or better, I usually play stud or Razz when I play HORSE Sngs or cash
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jmontis
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Full House
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the raises on 4th are ugly, and definitely fold after picking up the Q on 5th...
you have to think your hands through in games like razz, 8/b
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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Reidak
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ive been playing razz for about 30 minutes, $2/4. didnt know teh rules before then.
heres a hand, dont mean to hijack
Full Tilt Poker Game #4838876543: Table jusmoney - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 22:45:27 ET - 2008/01/12
Seat 2: morningjames ($40.80)
Seat 3: BeenHadStax ($203.90)
Seat 4: RageMachine ($58.70)
Seat 5: RuneSky ($78.80)
Seat 6: sos41 ($193.85), is sitting out
Seat 7: jishuu ($80.90)
BeenHadStax antes $0.40
jishuu antes $0.40
steinysmooth adds $40
RageMachine antes $0.40
RuneSky antes $0.40
morningjames antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to morningjames [9s]
Dealt to BeenHadStax [As]
Dealt to RageMachine [8s]
Dealt to RuneSky [3d]
Dealt to jishuu [5s 3c] [9h]
morningjames is high with [9s]
morningjames brings in for $0.50
BeenHadStax folds
RageMachine folds
RuneSky completes it to $2
jishuu calls $2
morningjames folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to RuneSky [3d] [Ks]
Dealt to jishuu [5s 3c 9h] [4h]
jishuu bets $2
RuneSky calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to RuneSky [3d Ks] [7c]
Dealt to jishuu [5s 3c 9h 4h] [Kd]
RuneSky bets $4
jishuu calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to RuneSky [3d Ks 7c] [Kc]
Dealt to jishuu [5s 3c 9h 4h Kd] [4c]
jishuu checks
RuneSky has 15 seconds left to act
RuneSky bets $4
jishuu has 15 seconds left to act
jishuu calls $4
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to jishuu [5s 3c 9h 4h Kd 4c] [Th]
jishuu checks
RuneSky has 15 seconds left to act
RuneSky bets $4
jishuu calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RuneSky shows [8c 3s 3d Ks 7c Kc Ah] K,8,7,3,A
jishuu shows [Th 5s 9h 4h Kd 4c 3c] T,9,5,4,3
jishuu wins the pot ($33.50) with T,9,5,4,3
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $34.50 | Rake $1
Seat 2: morningjames folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: BeenHadStax folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: RageMachine folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: RuneSky showed [8c 3s 3d Ks 7c Kc Ah] and lost with K,8,7,3,A
Seat 6: sos41 is sitting out
Seat 7: jishuu showed [Th 5s 9h 4h Kd 4c 3c] and won ($33.50) with T,9,5,4,3
Cliff Notes: 9 high bring in 6 handed. Two folds and 8 completes to $2 with me showing 9 and bring in showing 9.
Now I know this guy will do this with two kings in the hole. Stealing dead completions is a good way to profit. I have two lows in the hole, I don't put the completor on anything, his range is 23-KK.
fourth street delivers him a K and i a 4. Now i know im ahead. When you are ahead in razz.. bet. 5th street is a fun card
Gives me 3459K, vil xx37K. So if both his holes are lower than a 9, i am behind. I don't really know. This is a good time to just call a bet since i had been just dealt the K and vil will ALWAYS bet this since the K is a usual hand killer.
6th.. he pairs with another K and I pair my 4. Im a razz noob so i figure this doesn't change much. i guess a paired four is better than a paired king. We only have 1 card to go, and I still don't know what his holes are. if they are both lower than 9 i am behind. So i check intending to call. River a T and I check again with the intention of calling, no value in betting really.
how was my thinking?
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TLR
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3rd: Your call to a raise here is pretty bad, while villian may not have much your hand is not great, especially since the 9 is showing
4th is OK, once you called 5th you had to call it down considering his cards
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