Originally Posted by Primus Sucks

Any relation to Claypool???

Originally Posted by iopq

stop sounding bored lol
defending the blind with T4o? isn't that a leak

Originally Posted by iopq

If I open 100% from SB you have 44% equity
If I open 50% from SB you have 33% equity

but you have bad playability so when you win your opponent has air and doesn't pay you off
but you can lose a lot with dominated pair hands

Originally Posted by iopq

OK, what are you hoping to hit? TT4 flop?

Originally Posted by asdpikas

u think u need to hit to win blind battles?

Originally Posted by iopq

yes, he calls down SUPER light

Originally Posted by Chopper

interesting thing...do what you will with it...

i ran 50% vpip for villain and T4o for you. pf, you have 34% equity. but, post flop....

-if the 4 hits a rainbow board, you are only 55/45 fave.
-if the T hits, you are actually still a 65/35 dog....even though you hit your top pair.

i assume thats kicker trouble, and no potential for redraws since WE are definitely not connected/suited and he may be?

i dont like T4o pf, either. there is just not a lot of potential to hit a flop, and unless you are SURE you have a chronic folder, i dont think you can play aggressively when you do miss. that would be spewy, fo sho.

but, if you HAVE a read, i dont see anything terribly wrong with it, as long as you know EXACTLY what you are looking for and on what you can sell.

to make T4 playable, imo, you need an ubertight image and you need a chicken in the other blind. i dont know if you get that if youve been forced to show down some crap. its easier to just wait for something more respectable.

however, i 3bet with 56s last month, too. i HAD a read. i was RRing a lot of respectable hands and donking flops. villain folded every time, leading me to try and open up more. and, according the the forum consensus, THAT still wasnt too smart. and, i have to think that 56s has a lot more ways to take out a blind war than T4o. that said, if i have someone that folds more than 50-60% of flop bets, i will pick on them with almost ATC if i can get it HU.

of course, i havent seen the "Rancho" flick yet. and, i may correct my initial post here when i do.

Originally Posted by iopq

OK, I used the wrong arguments.

Here's the problem:
villain auto-bets the flop
are you raising him with air if he calls you down any pair any ace?
in fact if you raise the flop he peels with any overcards so even if you hit a pair you're not far ahead

Originally Posted by asdpikas

One thing to point out if u havent seen the video is that this is a BvB situation, so i have position. And against a LAG on whom i have reads and who correctly raises 80+% of his hands in this situation.
I wouldnt dream of defending with that hand against a raise from any other position (BTN, CO...) and I will muck against a tighter pf player or a more passive postflop player, even in a BvB situation.

Originally Posted by iopq

I totally agree with Chopper. There's nothing that says that you should be able to make a LAG fold. Your hand has no playability. If you could guarantee you'll win without a showdown a lot, then sure, exploit your uber-tight opponent like that (if he folds overcards to raises on the flop, for example)
but if your opponent is loose, putting in money with T40 doesn't seem like a good idea

Originally Posted by Chopper

youre going to hate me for this (but i'll say it because i know you wont take offense), asp, but pounding that flop with 75o makes me want to puke. (disregard that i'm a total nit)

i just dont think you will ever see the implied odds realized in a HU limit pot to justify the chase of a gutter when your 7 and 5 are incredibly tainted.

again, if you can make him fold, thats one thing, but his 3bet suggests you cant. your cap has to be a hail mary of sorts. i am absolutely STUNNED he folded to that.

if i see you doing this TO ME (which you wouldnt because i'm not that maniacal), i would shift gears on you so fast and c/r your ass on almost any turn. actually, we would have fun playing against each other!!

i guess it just proves that you dont need cards when you play poker...lol.

Originally Posted by Chopper

my assumption with the stox quote (as its where i base my info from ,too...lol) was that when he considers up to 3/6 micro stakes no hold em fold em...we need to be careful with how wide we go and how hard we push the bottom ends of our/his ranges.

there, according to him, would be too many stations still to make these weak assed hands profitable.

i certainly wont defend with T4 at MY levels...lol. but, apparently, i wont automatically 3bet TT pf, either.

Originally Posted by asdpikas

hahahhah
you are right, but this was 100% read based, metagame based, history based...

Originally Posted by Chopper

play straight? wouldnt we be valuebetting MUCH lighter than "straightforward" against this guy.

66 on Qh 7h 4s flop, arent we pretty much firing all 3 streets against a station until raised?

Originally Posted by DrivingDog

Well...

Originally Posted by DrivingDog

I think your estimate of SB's range is a bit broad. He has not only you to contend with but the cold caller. So I would think he more likely has AJs+, AQ+, TT+.

Regarding AQ, it's not a question of equity so much as playability. Since you're behind most of his range if you don't improve by the turn you are probably going to have to fold. You can also hit your hand and still lose.

That's where keeping the coldcaller around can help you out. Basically you're hoping to hit your hand, hoping it wins, and hoping to get some loose calls from the guy on your right.

Think about what he cold calls you with preflop. Some worse Aces than yours, maybe KT+, QJ, etc. Most of these you have dominated. If he has a worse Ace or worse Q then you WANT him to play. If he has Kx well you're probably folding a Kxx flop anyways,

So the possible rewards for letting him hang around are great and the potential risk is minimal.