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Old 01-16-2008, 09:37 PM     Post subject: Raising Multiway Preflop from blinds? PLO #1 (permalink)  
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OK... I'm taking a break from holdem this month (to calm down from and have just been playing the odd 1/2 hour of PLO microstake here and there to cure the itch (worst case scenario - I lose $3 in a night).

Now, my postflop game is far superior to most of the players at these stakes but I think my preflop hand selection is bordering on insanley tight and insanely passive and costing me alot of EV/$$$.

I'm not too worried about how tight I'm playing for now but I really need to work on my raising standards. Here is a perfect example:

PokerStars Game #14604800983: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/01/16 - 17:10:44 (ET)
Table 'Atropos IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: akiramikata ($3.22 in chips)
Seat 2: Pogo650 ($2.97 in chips)
Seat 3: KDF IS HERE ($3.32 in chips)
Seat 4: sheets23 ($0.98 in chips)
Seat 5: jkma ($3.17 in chips)
Seat 6: playa0708 ($0.68 in chips)
akiramikata: posts small blind $0.01
Pogo650: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pogo650 [Kd As Jd Ah]
KDF IS HERE: folds
sheets23: calls $0.02
jkma: calls $0.02
playa0708: calls $0.02
akiramikata: calls $0.01
Pogo650: checks

My reads so far lead me to believe that even potting it won't knock out anyone except for *maybe* the sb. If I a suited ace here I would have definately made some kind of a raise but I would really be just picking an amount at random if I'm honest! I wouldn't be certain whether I want to narrow the field or build the pot as my #1 priority.

Should I have raisied here in the BB? I would have definately done so had I been in the CO or BU but my poor position and the high-likelyhood of a 6-handed pot made me think twice. I was also slightly worried about being able to controll the pot post-flop given the powerhouse nature of my hand.
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:13 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:39 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Raise!
OK...

I take it I want to narrow the field if possible? My reads tell me this isnt gonna happen so I'm still raising for value?

Omaha is very very new to me and I'm just trying to grasp the difference in basic theory to hold'em (plus I'm a LHE player so I'm not used to raising hands such as AK in this spot)
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Old 01-16-2008, 11:40 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Note, I've never played below 10NL so I have no idea what's "standard" post-flop.

Preflop I check. No reason to go crazy when there aren't many nut hands you can hit. Also you're OOP which sucks, sucks, sucks in Omaha. The person in position controls the pot size. Since it's POT limit Omaha that's pretty desirable.

I would raise a suited A, because now you have nut-flush, straight, and boat potential.

Basically I almost never raise from the blinds. The biggest time I can think of is when I feel I can isolate a shorty with a hand like yours. By "feel" I don't mean a shorty is in the hand. I mean the shorty raised initially and may push over a raise driving everyone else out, or the initial raiser raises a lot pre (especially min-raises) but then becomes very tight, kinda reads.

If you want to loosen your range, try from the CO/Button. You'll have to experiment some with sizing. If everyone calls almost always, raise to 3bb even if there are already 3 limpers and use your post-flop edge. I don't like limping along from the CO/Button because then the pot is too small to fight over on the flop if you miss. It's too easy for people to call 2 small bets, then you have no idea where you stand on the river, or it's too hard to decide if they were drawing to the flush, etc.
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Old 01-17-2008, 09:18 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 From my very limited play in microstakes raising from the BB will not reduce the field by much, especially with multiway limpers.
The only thing that actually limits the field is if you can reraise.

However there are cases when you want to raise from the BB in those types of games, and this is where you want to build a big pot, which happens when you have hands that have good nut potential.
For example A23K suited/double suited, AA24 suited/double suited, AA23 suited/double suited, you get the idea.
With hands that if you hit them well will make the nuts you dont really care that the pot is multiway, and you want to get the most value for your hand


 
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Old 01-17-2008, 01:26 PM #6 (permalink)  
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raise it to 0.10, expecting them all to call, which is fine. play the flop as if you haven't raised
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Old 01-18-2008, 02:02 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Old 01-19-2008, 11:16 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Preflop I check. No reason to go crazy when there aren't many nut hands you can hit. Also you're OOP which sucks, sucks, sucks in Omaha. The person in position controls the pot size. Since it's POT limit Omaha that's pretty desirable.
You should be raising the top 10% or so of hands in unraised pots (mixing it up between calling and raising with the weaker of them) from the blinds. This is especially true at .5/1 and below, where the average players play such garbage preflop and play so bad postflop. Being out of position isn't nearly as big a disadvantage in PLO as it is in NLHE, and you want to build a pot when you have a hand with a lot of potential.
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Old 01-20-2008, 04:14 AM #9 (permalink)  
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oops, missed that, definitly pot it preflop, but if you get tons of callers be willing to check/fold the flop if the flop totally missed you
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