Originally Posted by Raoni_Poker

Hi, guys

After a while away from limit HE (I'm focusing on SnGs for now), I tried a session today. Even though the whole session was not as good as I intended (3BBs in 30 minutes), I've noticed I'm getting better on being aggressive.

I was reading Phil Helmuths book, which focus basically in higher games. Even though I am aware of that, I've realised that some plays can be effective in nano limits too (I play 0,04-0,02)...it depends on your opponents.

The following play exemplifies the "reraising for information" routine. A few weeks ago, i'd probably fold to any bet on the flop. The two players are both very loose. SB here raises with any two, so I knew I would be against a wide range of hands. Basically I reraised on the flop...if they call and bet the turn, I fold. If they check the turn, I bet (hoping they will fold). I did this same play successfully twice in half an hour...it works in nano limits too!

Any comments are welcome here. I have a lot to learn from you all.

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 5
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, SB raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls

Flop: (8 SB) Q, 3, 8 (4 players)
SB bets, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG+1 calls

Turn: (7 BB) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, 1 fold

River: (9 BB) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls

Total pot: $0.44 (11 BB) | Rake: $0.02

Results in white below:
Hero had 5, 5 (one pair, fives).
SB mucked K, 10 (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won $0.42

Originally Posted by Raoni_Poker

I was reading Phil Helmuths book, which focus basically in higher games.

Originally Posted by LastChance

I don't play limit, but this looks terrible. I'd raise pre and hope that the sb reraises so I have a better chance at forcing out the bb and limper and getting HU with my 5s against an idiot. I think "raising for information" is not healthy...but maybe it has more of a place in limit than no limit and I'm jsut naive?

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Please read another book and forget everything you read in Hellmuth's.

This hand was terrible. It was poor play that worked out, not effective strategy.

Originally Posted by Raoni_Poker

Actually If I took Helmuths advice, I would have fold the hand on the flop (no set, no bet).

Originally Posted by Raoni_Poker

I dont believe in such a thing as a terrible hand if you have reads on your opponents).

Originally Posted by Raoni_Poker

I wonder how would you play this hand...raise preflop to see if anyone would quit?

Originally Posted by LawDude

villain is basically a station, and our 5's are ahead of his range.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Keep in mind there are two opps when hero's raise goes in. You have to show me the ranges you put these guys on that you're ahead of. I don't see it.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

You have to show me the ranges you put these guys on that you're ahead of. I don't see it.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Originally Posted by LawDude

any made hand, even a weak one + aggression + board that is not particularly likely to have allowed villains to hit any draws - reverse implied odds = less EQUITY than your opponents have collectively

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Fixed your post.

You're advocating a maniac style of play and it isn't particularly effective against stations. Aggression works best when you have some fold equity.

Originally Posted by asdpikas

i dont hate the raise, altho my line would be folding on the flop. What I dont like is the reason for the raise.
The fact is you shouldn't be raising solely for info, so if i chose to raise, i may take the free card or the free sd (depending on the players) but i don't like betting all streets just cause nobody 3bet the flop. I dont see many worse hands calling the river once they call the turn, except for some fluke like this.