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Old 03-13-2005, 01:16 PM     Post subject: Raising for a freebie is dead, long live the stop n go #1 (permalink)  
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Anyone else notice this? The fishies have decided that they don't like giving away cheap cards/showdown with their top/middle/bottom/pocket pair whatever kicker.

I'm also seeing more river bets out of nowhere.
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Old 03-13-2005, 05:26 PM #2 (permalink)  
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A hand from the tournament I was in yesterday. I was not involved in the hand.

Preflop Action: Player A raises, player B calls.

Flop: 9 9 7

Flop Action: Player A bets, player B raises, player A calls.

Turn: 7

Turn Action: Player A bets, player B raises, player A calls.

River: 8

River Action: Player A bets, player B raises, player A calls.

Showdown: Player A: 2 2, player B: T 9

So . . . exactly what was player A calling on the river? Did he think his three pair was something special?
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Old 03-14-2005, 05:02 PM     Post subject: Re: Raising for a freebie is dead, long live the stop n go #3 (permalink)  
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Anyone else notice this? The fishies have decided that they don't like giving away cheap cards/showdown with their top/middle/bottom/pocket pair whatever kicker.

I'm also seeing more river bets out of nowhere.
I've noticed this on a few PP $2/4 tables (I don't play online anywhere near as often as you do; do you see it on PP 2/4 alot?), but in my live $4-8 games, if someone has a pair, any pair or even ace-high, getting a free card or showdown is a very remote possibility.

What did you mean by stop n' go?
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Old 03-14-2005, 05:43 PM     Post subject: Re: Raising for a freebie is dead, long live the stop n go #4 (permalink)  
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What did you mean by stop n' go?
Calling a raise then leading the next round of betting into the raiser.
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Old 03-14-2005, 11:26 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Im a stop and go nut, I love betting into a raise on the next street.
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Old 03-15-2005, 08:27 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Im a stop and go nut, I love betting into a raise on the next street.
So I understand the thought process here...do you do this to determine if they are on a flush draw or actually have the goods?

I could see that if they just call your bet out, they probably are weak or drawing, but if they raise again, they might actually be sitting on a hand.
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Old 03-16-2005, 08:57 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Stop and Go.
Are you trying this as a bluff? or only with top pair or better?
Do you fold if raised?

Does this translate into a winning NL play (you'd have to bet the pot to try, I think)?

Thanks.
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Old 03-17-2005, 04:50 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Fnord is CO with J, K.
2 folds, MP1 raises, 1 fold, Fnord 3-bets, 3 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) Q, T, 4 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Fnord bets, MP1 raises, Fnord 3-bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.66 BB) 4 (2 players)
MP1 bets, Fnord calls.

River: (8.66 BB) 7 (2 players)
MP1 bets, Fnord raises, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 12.66 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has 6s Qs (two pair, queens and fours).
Fnord has Jh Kh (flush, king high).
Outcome: Fnord wins 12.66 BB.


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Old 03-17-2005, 05:40 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Great flop...

It's funny as It's almost like he thinks that the pair of 4's are his only. I mean he must be thinking that you have a Q and a better kicker by only calling the three bet on the flop. In that case the 2nd 4 helps his hand in absolutely no way.

Why I just spent the 30 seconds or so trying to rationalize his bet on the turn after he raised with that hand is beyond me...
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Old 03-17-2005, 06:24 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 tripps, i had exactly the same thought. so many fish see the pair on the board and think, "WOW my hand just improved to two pair! i should bet again!" happens all the time.

once i was at the taj playing 2/4 and this lady next to me showed down bottom pair. after she lost, she said, "i couldn't fold that, i had aces up!" the aces were on the board. ridiculous.

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