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littleogre
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05-25-2007, 06:00 PM
Post subject: raising first in from the co in 1/2 limit and lower?
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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This is a very specific question. what hands should i be raising from the co if the pot is folded around to me. Now the qualifier they are also hands that should be mucked or just limped with if even one person shows interst in the pot. I hope i am being clear and easy to understand with my question if not please say so. It is hard to get a good sample size in pt has the situation just does not come up very often.
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NWNewell
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Raise CO (and BTN) with:
22+, Axs, AT+, KTs+, KTo+, Q9s+, QTo+, J8s+ JT0, T8s+, T9o, 97s+, 98o, 87s
You could maybe raise a few more if the button and blinds are really tight. But this is a pretty good range that won't get you into too much trouble. If the blinds are loose or you feel lost post flop at times, drop some of the weaker hands mentioned.
If anyone else is already in the pot then it is a completely different story as much of the value from a lot of these hands comes from steeling the blinds.
For more details pick up Weighing the Odds by King Yao, Small Stakes Poker by Ed Miller, and/or Hold'em Poker by David Sklansky.
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littleogre
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Originally Posted by NWNewell
Raise CO (and BTN) with:
22+, Axs, AT+, KTs+, KTo+, Q9s+, QTo+, J8s+ JT0, T8s+, T9o, 97s+, 98o, 87s
You could maybe raise a few more if the button and blinds are really tight. But this is a pretty good range that won't get you into too much trouble. If the blinds are loose or you feel lost post flop at times, drop some of the weaker hands mentioned.
If anyone else is already in the pot then it is a completely different story as much of the value from a lot of these hands comes from steeling the blinds.
For more details pick up Weighing the Odds by King Yao, Small Stakes Poker by Ed Miller, and/or Hold'em Poker by David Sklansky.
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i actually have sshe but i honestly do not remember it talking about raising first in.
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bigspenda73
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LOL, I dont think SSHE would ever assume you have a chance to open-raise from the CO.
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littleogre
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
LOL, I dont think SSHE would ever assume you have a chance to open-raise from the CO.
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it happens once every few hundred hands. 
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Ragnar4
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Since SSHE doesn't define the "Cutoff" specifically, it's pretty obvious that they wouldn't define what hands to raise from the cutoff. Instead focusing on hands to always raise with, in late position, reguardless of your opponents.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Originally Posted by NWNewell
Raise CO (and BTN) with:
22+, Axs, AT+, KTs+, KTo+, Q9s+, QTo+, J8s+ JT0, T8s+, T9o, 97s+, 98o, 87s
You could maybe raise a few more if the button and blinds are really tight. But this is a pretty good range that won't get you into too much trouble. If the blinds are loose or you feel lost post flop at times, drop some of the weaker hands mentioned.
If anyone else is already in the pot then it is a completely different story as much of the value from a lot of these hands comes from steeling the blinds.
For more details pick up Weighing the Odds by King Yao, Small Stakes Poker by Ed Miller, and/or Hold'em Poker by David Sklansky.
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isn't AT strng enough to raise from the co regardless of wether we have limpers or not? I know it is bad to play from early position but always thought it was very playable from late position.
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Coolidge
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Originally Posted by NWNewell
Raise CO (and BTN) with:
22+, Axs, AT+, KTs+, KTo+, Q9s+, QTo+, J8s+ JT0, T8s+, T9o, 97s+, 98o, 87s
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I think you can dump 22-44. I add Q8s, A9o and 67s.
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bigspenda73
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I will also argue for dumping the small pairs especially if the button is a loose coldcaller.
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NWNewell
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Yeah, if the button or blinds are looser, I'm dumping a lot of hands.
As far as dumping 22-44 in favor of A8s, A9o, 76s, I don't see much of a problem... or significant differance overall. "You say tomato, I say tamoto."
I don't necessarily auto-steal with 22-44. I usually pick my spots for these and often do the same with some of the hands you mention.
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euphoricism
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In a steal, small pocket pair value plummets. Q8 is definitely a better hand than 22 when stealing, and its not close.
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NWNewell
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
In a steal, small pocket pair value plummets. Q8 is definitely a better hand than 22 when stealing, and its not close.
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really? hhmmm.... 
True, Q8 has more equity than 22 overall (However, I think only about 4%). But I think if you see the flop 22 will be ahead more often against a typical BB caller than Q8. I was thinking that all five board cards need to be out for Q8 to over take 22.
I don't know, maybe I need to re-think the lower end of my range steal range.
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Coolidge
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Join Date: Jul 2006
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by NWNewell
As far as dumping 22-44 in favor of Q8s, A9o, 76s, I don't see much of a problem... or significant differance overall. "You say tomato, I say tamoto."
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I agree, it's probably pretty close.
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