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drtofu66
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10-12-2005, 02:25 AM
Post subject: Raise the turn/river? If so, why?
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 595
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PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 , 9 . UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG (poster) checks, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.
Flop: (5 SB) 6, 5, 8 (5 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP2 folds, Button folds, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls, SB calls.
Turn: (8.50 BB) T (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.
River: (11.50 BB) 3 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.
Final Pot: 13.50 BB
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Id raise the turn. More likely he caught two pair than he's pumping his flush draw.
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A'aag
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Straight
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Loyal son of Rochester
Posts: 172
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Id raise the turn. More likely he caught two pair than he's pumping his flush draw.
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And I'd like to charge UTG 2 bets to see the river.
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cartilago77
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Tijuana Donkey Show
Posts: 180
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Bet turn to see where you are at. River bet for me would depend on what he did to the turn raise.
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Fnord
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Raise the turn and call down a 3-bet. It looks like he made his hand on the flop.
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drtofu66
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 595
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So his 3-bet on the flop suggests that he's not on the flush draw? Had he just called my flop raise, w0uld you have changed your thinking? Once the 3rd spade hit and he lead out with a bet I didn't know how to read it. I figured if he was on anything other than a flush draw he'd go into check/call mode out of position here with two to act, which is why I went into call down mode myself. If the SB didn't have the flush I figured UTG to have it since he called 2 bets on the flop.
Turns out the SB was betting his set of 6's hard. It just never seems to occur to me to think about how a set would behave.
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outphase
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 949
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He lead out against your cap, raise the turn.
If he just simply called the first raise and then led out the turn, raise the turn.
Addendum: Just read your last post after I typed that... so keep that in mind
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Tim Vecchioni
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Maryland US
Posts: 327
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he 3 bet you on the flop...there for if he jammed the pot with the flush draw power to him...raise raise raise and pay him off...
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back looking to make some moolah
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Originally Posted by Tim Vecchioni
he 3 bet you on the flop...there for if he jammed the pot with the flush draw power to him...raise raise raise and pay him off...
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That's how I play my flush draws... because 3 handed I have equity to jam the pot. I'd also lead after I made the flush too. But you bet I'm raising in that spot with a straight.
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Xanadu
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
Location: st. paul, MO
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At these stakes, many people won't be so aggressive with a flush draw, being oblivious to the number of people in the pot. There are many hands that play this way ... any 2pair, any set, the occassional dumbass with A8 or K8. Don't forget that any player who would jam the pot with a flush draw would also jam the pot with a spare 7.
The presence of another player in the pot makes this decision easy. As long as UTG is along for the ride, you should be raising at every opportunity. That extra player means double the profit when you win and means if he stays in you only need to win over 1/3 of the time for your bets to be profitable. Also, if UTG is on a draw and is willing to call any amount of bets on the turn, you will get so much money in the pot that if he misses his draw but hits top pair/two pair/set or a smaller straight (he was a poster so could have a hand like 84 or 43), he will very likely call a SB bet on the river and possibly a SB 3-bet too.
Jamming the pot with more than your share of pot equity is crucial to making big money at limit. The more people who are willing to come along for the ride with weaker hands, the less pot equity you need to be aggressive.
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