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bigspenda73
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11-24-2006, 04:27 AM
Post subject: Quotes from Elipsesjeff's video
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I just watched both Fans video and Jeffs for probably the 10th time and while watching Jeff's video I wrote down a few quotes I think would make for good discussions.
1. "Players who autobet flops and bet the turn don't have a hand"
2. "People who c/r on a paired board do not have anything"
3. "He bet/3bet (on the flop) OOP, sounds like a flush draw to me"
Also, he talks about playing suited gappers (believe he held J8s) in the SB. He was getting 7:1 (I believe 2 limps a BB raise and 2 calls) and said how he felt that was the threshold to call. Im just trying to figure out the math on this. You are basically saying you have to win this pot once out of 8 times correct? Do you just put three random hands into pokerstove and deterime where a hand like J8s is, or do you put more of a definite range in. I would think J8s would me more like 5:1 here against 3 hands.
Well, I thought these were some interesting thoughts to discuss..
(BTW...I'd love to give my take on the quotes but I do not understand them)
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mike4066
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I would calculate it against the range you can put your opponents on. Also remember that you don't always have to go to showdown to win.
As for the other comments, those are just betting patterns and online tells that you will pickup on players as you play more and more.
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NWNewell
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11-27-2006, 12:39 PM
Post subject: Re: Quotes from Elipsesjeff's video
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Also, he talks about playing suited gappers (believe he held J8s) in the SB. He was getting 7:1 (I believe 2 limps a BB raise and 2 calls) and said how he felt that was the threshold to call. Im just trying to figure out the math on this. You are basically saying you have to win this pot once out of 8 times correct? Do you just put three random hands into pokerstove and deterime where a hand like J8s is, or do you put more of a definite range in. I would think J8s would me more like 5:1 here against 3 hands.
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Well, I'm not entirely sure why jeff says that 7:1 is the limit for that, but I kind of agree with him for the following reasons:
Call me conservative, but:
- I rarely think our implied odds are better than are immediate odds this early in the hand. i.e. I think we contribute a little more when we lose (often trying to draw to our straight or flush, or paying off a better pair/twopair), than we will recoup when we have the best hand (many people will get out of the way of an flush, and some will get out of the way when they miss completely and our pair of eights are actually the best hand). So for that I would want a little better odds than the 5:1 you are coming up with. Maybe 6:1.
- Also, this a marginal hand, and a somewhat marginal situation at a 6:1 odds, and can sometimes be tough to know where you are at when you hit one pair. And this early in the hand, there are a lot of opportunity for incorrect judgment on all the betting rounds to come. So with that in mind, and wanting to ensure I have a little cushion for variations on my opponents play (or quality of play) and possible mistakes on later streets, I like to bump it up to ~7:1 for middle suited two gapers (~Q9s-T7s).
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
2. "People who c/r on a paired board do not have anything"
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I also saw jeffs video a while ago and remembered him saying this. Since then I have been paying attention to these situations much more. And I will pretty much agree with that (at least at the lower limits, 0.5/1 - maybe 3/6). I will say this.... People who check raise the flop, often don't have anything, and almost always of the time at least do not have trips (sometimes they'll have an 8 on an JJ8 board or a pocket pair). And people who bet out on the flop often don't have trips (but will often be semi-bluffing with a pair or straight/flush draw).
But against opponents making these moves, a c/r is often worth a call down with as little as A-high (definitely worth it, often worth a raise, for any pair above the off card on the flop), and a bet out is usually worth a call down with any pair above the off card on the flop.
Just my two cents...
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Rondavu
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Quote:
1. "Players who autobet flops and bet the turn don't have a hand"
2. "People who c/r on a paired board do not have anything"
3. "He bet/3bet (on the flop) OOP, sounds like a flush draw to me"
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I don't agree with any of this. No offense to Jeff. It's much too general to make these statements.
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1. "Players who autobet flops and bet the turn don't have a hand"
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This assumes a player never extracts value on the turn IMO
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2. "People who c/r on a paired board do not have anything"
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I think it's reasonable for an opponent to check raise a vulnerable overpair on an 887 flop against someone who routinely continues. Like TT or JJ for instance. I often see any pocket pair do this.
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3. "He bet/3bet (on the flop) OOP, sounds like a flush draw to me"
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Often a very strong hand. Not everyone check raises a strong hand every time.
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