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spoonitnow
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10-29-2006, 07:36 AM
Post subject: Question my Analysis: PP in SB vs Single Limper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
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I don't know why this particular scenario has caught my attention, but would someone point out any errors in how I'm thinking about this? Thanks 
With big pairs AA-99, I think we're always raising unless there are extremely weird circumstances like the button has a VP$P of 2 and never raises preflop.
With small pairs 55-22, I think we're more tempted to limp and play it for set value, getting 5:1 on completing the small blind assuming the big blind checks. If we raise, it's to isolate against the limper, and a portion of the time that won't keep the big blind out. Even if we do manage to isolate, it's going to be a difficult hand to play out of position on nearly any flop. I think we need to be much better players than our opponents post-flop and I think we need a tight big blind to get value out of raising these hands.
I think the most interesting case happens with the middle pairs 88-66. It seems like they're too good to just call and play for set value, but perhaps not good enough to overcome the positional disadvantage. Here the range of the limper and the tightness of the big blind become key to deciding how we're going to play. It seems that in general we want to raise more when the big blind is tight and when the limper has a wide range, and that the big blind being tight is a little more important. The last thing we want is to be playing 77 on a A82 board with two spades out of position against two people two bets deep preflop.
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Xanadu
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
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All sounds pretty reasonable to me. I rarely consider an isolation raise with 22-55 in the SB. Isolation is of course so much better with the 66-88 range when the limper is very loose. Isolation is also way better with position. OOP sucks. I don't like to do it for extra bets with marginal hands.
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outphase
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
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66-99 i'd pop it up if 1. I believe I can get the BB to fold and 2. I believe the limper will fold a "second best hand" in case I miss a set.
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
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