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littleogre
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11-05-2007, 08:29 AM
Post subject: A question i've been meaning to ask for a while
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,344
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Ok when is it proper to wait untill the turn to value bet your hand? even if for the sake of my question we are 100 percent sure we are infront after the flop. SSHE talks about this concept. It says we are making the drawing hand make a larger mistake by keeping the pot small and causing them to flat call 2 bets on the turn. I will give a made up example and hope that it conveys my question properly.
We have pocket 8s and the flop is Ah/6h/4s. Now lets just say we know for a fact that the villan is on some kinda draw. Now it would be my first instinct to bet the flop and make the bad guy pay to see a turn card but sshe says there are times when we should wait untill the turn. Someone please explain when and why.
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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I will try to be more specific. Use in the hand above we pocket 8s and the board is Ah/6h/4s. Now the pot is 2 bucks with the small bet being 1 dollar. SShe says to wait untill the turn. There reasoning is that if we bet the flop we are giving the villan proper odds to chase there flush draw. Now if we wait untill the turn to bet we give or opponent horrible odds and force them to either fold or make a greivous error. While that is all true don't we still make more money beting the flop and turn even if we would be giving or opponent good odds to call ?
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Jibalob
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Out of my roll
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In your example I dont see how you can force villaon to flat call 2 bets??
I think SSHE is probably reffering more to just calling instead of raising multiway pots when you have an aggressor directly to your right (although I havent read it in a while), where you can either raise him on the turn when you have position on him to force other drawing hands out, or try for a c/r if you are out of position (I dont really like this play unless you are 99% sure he will bet) . Notice you are allowing a cheap turn not a free turn - a free turn card vs drawing hands is a catastrophe.
To be honest, if I were to make this kind of play against strong drawing I think it is very important that your hand still has the ability to win if someone does complete their draw on the turn.
eg, you hold AhKs and the flop comes down 5h,9h,Kd. Through your well established reads you are sure that villain is on a flush draw.
Now here giving a cheap card on the flop isnt so bad because you can raise / checkraise the turn if you believe that you still have the best hand, but if that dreaded 3rd flush card lands on the turn you still have outs for the nut flush.
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snowboard_31
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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This concept in SSHE also refers to pots that are multiway and when you edges are expected to increase when the turn card comes
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