Originally Posted by maxxscam

i picked up AK or JJ, or QQor some other big hand usually should have a preflop raise, now at our club if someone has already limped in they always call a raise, so i didnt bother to raise wth these hands in bad position

Originally Posted by maxxscam

i was playing 10/20 kill down at the poker club the other night and in a ew instances where i was small or big blind i picked up AK or JJ, or QQor some other big hand usually should have a preflop raise, now at our club if someone has already limped in they always call a raise, so i didnt bother to raise wth these hands in bad position because it wouldnt limit the field at all, and in alot of instances overcards come or i dont hit AK i can throw it away cheaply, should i be raising or should i be just calling and seeing the flop and seeing where i stand from there?

Originally Posted by maxxscam

one hand where i lost a tonne was a kill pot i had QQ, someone raised preflop i just calledalong with 2 others

Originally Posted by maxxscam

I just find that if i raise preflop i am almost compelled to raise again on flop /turn whether i hit or not, or whether there are overcards or not

Originally Posted by maxxscam

if i raise QQ from big blind and there were 7 pother people, they are all gonna call for sure, for 10$ more, and then the flop comes, A 7 6 , what do i do then? i just wasted a bet

Originally Posted by maxxscam

i do see that if the flop comes good i get 7 extra bets in there, but even then my hand is no a sure thing, actually with 7 people in it it is likely i need to hit my set in order to win, because undoubtedly some fool that limped with 7 9 will hit two pair or trip 7's or the woman with 5 4 will catcha straight on the river.

Originally Posted by maxxscam

I am just having a hard time justifieng whether it is the right play to raise QQ or AK or JJ or even KK from the blinds. Another thing is i am a bit of a rock on the table, and people know that so when i raise they usually can put me on a big hand

Originally Posted by Fnord

Then stop that!

Originally Posted by Fnord

You did not waste a bet!!! You got 7 SB in the pot when you probably had the best hand. That's amazing value for your money. Limit is a game of small edges, you're still thinking like No Limit. By failing to raise your best hands you're too easy on the guys that limp with crap and take down your top pairish hands.

Originally Posted by Fnord

...and he'll probably check+call all the way. Ain't it great?

Also, remember that you will often suck back out on them. With large pots built via pushing your pre-flop edges you can beat them at their own game.

Originally Posted by Fnord

...and they fail to act on that information. I was at a table once that was "on to me." I pick up KQ UTG and raise. I get cold called in 3 spots plus the blinds come in. Flop is A X X rainbow. I bet out and get called in 3 spots. Gee, having a tight rep really killed my action...

Also, start raising the better suited broadway cards in position for value and to keep them from putting you on such a narrow range of holdings.

Oh, and AA-TT all win loose pots unimproved. I've taken down a live pot with JJ 4-way capped pre-flop.

Originally Posted by LockLow34

I think it depends on the field and pot size. If there are 16 small bets in the pot, firing out again after you raise you only need the whole field to fold 1 time in 15 to make this a profitable play. You can slow down on 4th street if you don't improve. Not to mention if you play AK and AA and KK the same way when rags fall, the good players in the game can't put you on a hand.