Originally Posted by Fnord

Just shows that you don't need to win the pot to beat the fish...

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q.
2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 5 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) A, 8, 5 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) 9 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.66 BB) 9 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 3.66 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has 3h Kh (flush, king high).
Hero has Qd Qs (two pair, queens and nines).
Outcome: MP1 wins 3.66 BB.

Originally Posted by Fnord

The only reason I see for a turn bet is to get a call from a single heart. Otherwise, one of us is on 2 or 3 outs.

Originally Posted by RiverMonkey

TURN: In this specific hand, the 3rd heart is a scare card for you (and your opponent if he doesn't have the flush draw). I don't think you can justify betting this turn unless you either sense weakness, think your opponent has a single heart draw, or you want/think you can take it down right there.

RIVER: IMHO, you need a read on your opponent to determine the correct river play giving your opponent's turn check. As it turned out, you obviously made the right play. Impressive! As you say, you win without winning the pot!

Would you not all agree that the fact that its heads-up does make Fnord's play on the turn a tougher decision? In a multi-way pot it's obviously a much easier decision to make.





honsheung, normally, I'd rather bet the turn and check the river unimproved than the other way around. If you are ahead you don't want to give free cards, or you might take er' down right there. But typically this line of play is usually applicable if a blank lands on the turn giving you resonable confidence that you are still ahead (assuming you made that assessment based on how the flop played out). This line of reasoning doesn't really apply to this hand!