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Old 08-06-2008, 01:17 AM     Post subject: QQ, JJ, then AA #1 (permalink)  

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The first one had me scratching my head on the turn. I LOVE punishing these types of people-I also love when I catch on the river, though =/


#1 I realize the river play is pretty weak, but at this point I figured I was either up against AA or KK-I couldn't really figure anyone for a 9-someone ahead of me would have bet it-and a river bet isn't going to push out AA or KK with the pot being this big.

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (27 SB) , , (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (25.50 BB) (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (38.50 BB) (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 38.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 8h 7h (one pair, nines).
UTG+1 has 4c 5s (two pair, nines and fives).
MP2 doesn't show.
Hero has Qs Qc (two pair, queens and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 38.50 BB.

#2 This was the very next hand...and made me yell a few choice words at my monitor (I then apologized because it wasn't the monitor's fault). I'm slowing down on the river not because I think he caught a straight or flush, but because I'm sorta afraid of a "small blind special."

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with , .
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (9 SB) , , (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB raises, UTG folds, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (10 BB) (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 7d 9c (two pair, nines and sevens).
Hero has Jd Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: SB wins 12 BB.

#3 A few hands later. AA from EP-I figure just cram away.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with , . CO posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 caps, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (17.40 SB) , , (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (13.70 BB) (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls.

River: (16.70 BB) (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 19.70 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Ac (two pair, aces and threes).
MP2 doesn't show.
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 19.70 BB.
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Old 08-06-2008, 02:45 AM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 1: I did some poker stoving and if you assume someone has 2 pair or better you don't have more than 20% equity against the fields

if you knew what cards they had, you probably wouldn't cap, but the flop cap is probably not a mistake or a tiny one

but now that you see the turn, here's your poker stove:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 16.667% 16.67% 00.00% 7 0.00 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 23.810% 23.81% 00.00% 10 0.00 { 8h7h }
Hand 2: 59.524% 59.52% 00.00% 25 0.00 { 5s4c }


so if the action went with you calling the 3 bet on the flop, calling the bet on the turn and it checked to you on the river, I would bet because if you hadn't shown aggression on the turn you are not likely to be getting check-raised on the river so you can confidently bet the river since the 5 is not folding even though he knows he's beat

also note that UTG+1 limped and didn't cap when he had the chance to (so not even limp-raising AA/KK)

hand 2:
you have to call the turn because you have outs
standard, no hand that you're ahead of would possibly call that river, or even cap the flop
straight draw got there, flush draw got there

but his two pair would still call it down so putting in a river bet is just making your loss 1BB higher

hand 3: standard
MP2 had a 10, CO had an overcard or two
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Old 08-06-2008, 03:31 AM #3 (permalink)  

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Originally Posted by iopq

hand 3: standard
MP2 had a 10, CO had an overcard or two
ALMOST!

MP2 had JJ, CO had 10 5 off-suit (figure that one out =/)
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Old 08-06-2008, 05:23 AM #4 (permalink)  
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hey I put them on weaker hands than they actually had
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Old 08-06-2008, 09:07 AM #5 (permalink)  
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1) I'm pretty tempted to bet this river and pick up the crying call from JJ, TT, 54 or whatever.

2) Hard to see what we're ahead of here. Looks fine. EDIT: Just looked at the results. Nice of him not to bet the river.

3) C/r the turn unless an overcard to the T comes, in which case lead out.
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Old 08-06-2008, 04:38 PM #6 (permalink)  
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How do you argue for the check/raise? It's overused, IMO
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:38 PM #7 (permalink)  
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How do you argue for the check/raise? It's overused, IMO
Getting another BB from both players on the turn is better than getting another SB from both on the flop.

MPs range is heavily weighted to Tx when he raises the flop. A card lower than T will encourage him to bet again, and you can c/r. A card higher than T is more likely to make him two pair and if he raises your donk you can slow down. It is also more likely to hit CO and if he raises you can 3bet.
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