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Old 04-03-2009, 08:29 PM     Post subject: QQ 4-way capped pot #1 (permalink)  
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Player sitting on my left is unknown and just sat down (and bought in for $350 lmao). The other two players are fairly tight preflop with their raises. I was pretty much ready to check/fold this on the flop. Anyone hate the C/R here?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
3 folds, MP1 raises, 2 folds, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, MP1 caps, CO (poster) calls, Hero calls, BB calls

Flop: (16 SB) K, A, 8 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, CO checks

Turn: (8 BB) A (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds

Total pot: $5 (10 BB) | Rake: $0.20
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Old 04-03-2009, 09:43 PM #2 (permalink)  
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to me, i put you on anything BUT the A. why wouldnt you have led the flop? i dont know many that can 3bet and c/r a flop.

i just donk it. but, i wonder why i do that. we are WA/WB here....not much point in stealing a pot that is likely ours if there's no aggression. let 'em bluff.
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Old 04-03-2009, 11:24 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I didn't donk because only better hands call, or that's what you'd expect right? And if worse hands call, I'm not being a fag puss and go into call down mode to find out. For the record, yes I 3bet but it was 4bet back to me. You'd expect at least one person to have the Ace with preflop action like that more often than not, no? I just don't think a donk bet really solves a whole lot here, especially at this level.
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Old 04-04-2009, 02:54 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I didn't donk because only better hands call, or that's what you'd expect right? And if worse hands call, I'm not being a fag puss and go into call down mode to find out. For the record, yes I 3bet but it was 4bet back to me. You'd expect at least one person to have the Ace with preflop action like that more often than not, no? I just don't think a donk bet really solves a whole lot here, especially at this level.
i would expect an A or a K to be honest with you, which i why i dont like a c/r at all, either. of your two options, i like donk/folding better than c/r'ing. i just dont see this c/r earning folds, either. and, if we are concerned about being behind or having "only better hands call," we dont need to be putting any additional money in the pot. but, since we did it, we need to follow up on our "bluff raise" on the turn, imo. i likely raise there, too, because i figure he can find a fold there with almost every K. but, when he calls us, i think we need to be worried, and our only way out, now, is to donk the river. if we check, it screams that we dont have either the A or the K beat, imo. instead, we just stabbed at the pot with a reckless raise on the turn. if we donk, he may still get off his KQ because we sold that A a little harder.

however, given the fact that this is a capped pot pre, but it checks around the flop (i mean, who does that?), i wonder what the hell he even has....two hearts?....maybe JJ? and, if he has those, can he really fire the river when we check?

this hand is puzzling the shit out of me now, and mostly because i am in my own head about it......
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:44 AM #5 (permalink)  
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c-bet any time of the day, rainy or sunny, winter or summer, c-bet, c-bet, c-bet...

Someone does that c/r at low limits and i totally KNOW he doesn't have Ax... now, these villains may be a bit dimmer than me.

I also dont like the c/r because it folds nothing, even if the guy fired with a JTo gutshot, he will call your raise, and you'll be oop on the turn with very few options but to keep firing...
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Old 04-06-2009, 01:31 PM #6 (permalink)  

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I also would put you on anything but the A. For everyone to check around on the flop tells me no one has an A, unless someone is trying to be sneaky. When you C/R the turn, I would of put you on a K or QQ and if I was playing JJ or maybe 1010 like I bet he was, I would of folded.
However I most likely wouldn't of C/R'd in the first place.
On a side note since the MP capped and didn't C-bet, I'm def. not putting him on a A.
Feel free to debunk my thinking
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Old 04-06-2009, 02:58 PM #7 (permalink)  
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This kinda goes back to ISF's NL post about leakage, where he talks about how players check/call too much and do not bet or bet/fold nearly enough. It's definitely rare that no one had the A in a 4-way capped pot. I should have cbet here. I would assume anyone with an Ace would raise here, in which case I could dump the hand or c/f the turn.
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