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Hermann the Lombard
Old 11-03-2007, 08:02 PM     Post subject: QJs vs arborman #1 (permalink)  
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I have questions on all streets...well, except the river. UTG+1 is our esteemed colleague. UTG is a 49/0 fish.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, J.
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, 6 folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K, 2, 9 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) K (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: (5.50 BB) Q (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Pre-flop: This call seems a tad light but the ITH charts would call Q8s with two other callers.

Flop: I'm getting 9:1 with a gutshot and a BDFD. With implied odds that seems to approach a raise, and a c/r would probably get rid of UTG.

Turn: Gutshot and 2nd nut FD, I planned to c/c as there doesn't seem to be enough value for a bet.

River: Missed the big draws, caught 2nd pair but "villain" could have a King. I had seen four prior PFRs and I'm ahead of three of them. Seems like I should have gone c/c on this one.

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Old 11-03-2007, 08:56 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Villain has a K here almost never. No way he is checking that turn with trips when the are now 2 flush draws+gutshot draws against 2 flop callers.

River I like a bet-fold line. He will look us up a lot with mid pps since our line looks like a missed flush.
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:02 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 nh, I like c/r the turn against someone you know and who you feel can fold his middle pp's here.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:27 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Preflop: I'd be happy to call a raise with QJs here 4 ways. AKT comes on the board you're getting paid off big time. KT9 could be nice too. Flush possibilities are always a plus.

Flop: i prefer a call here as it preserves your implied odds. Getting 9:1 is just barely enough to call with only 3 clean outs. With three opponents a c/r is a bit much imo.

Turn: Semi-bluff c/r is sexy against tight player. Having it check around is not bad either.

River: Arborman's not that dumb to check a King on the turn. My guess is he had AQ/JJ/TT. On the balance of probabilities, b/f seems right.
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:27 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, Q.
UTG calls, Hero raises, 6 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K, 2, 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) K (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (5.50 BB) Q (3 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Flop was standard IMO - c-bet, decent chance I'm ahead etc. FWIW I knew HTL was a strong player and might be checkraising me on the turn - so I checked behind. I also would have played his hand exactly the same way as he did.

If he had bet into the turn I likely would have folded my second pair, because I could easily see him calling a pf raise with KQs or KJs. River was worth a call (but not a raise because he may well have planned a checkraise on the turn). Anything but a queen or ace and I likely would have folded to a bet from HTL.
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Old 11-05-2007, 03:49 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Well, thank you.

I think you hold my play in higher esteem than I do!!! I want to become a strong player but I have a long, long way to go.
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