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DrivingDog
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Villian is apt to raise light from the BB (EDIT: from the BUTTON i meant) and go too far with his hands.
Q1) what do i do on the flop?
Q2) Given what's happened on the flop, what's my move on the turn?
Q3) he' b/c the flop and c/c'd the turn bet. What do i do on the river?
PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K , 8.
2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls.
Flop: (4.50 SB) 9, 8 , A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button calls.
Turn: (4.25 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.
River: (6.25 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.
Final Pot: 6.25 BB
Results in white below:
Hero has Ks 8s (one pair, eights).
Button has 4d 3d (one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.25 BB.
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Fnord
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Ni Han.
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arborman
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If he's made he's probably reraising flop, so good turn bet. Any reason you checked river? Was it a check/call?
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DrivingDog
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Ni Han.
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well that's informative. In each situation, what do i do?
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
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DrivingDog
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[quote="Any reason you checked river? Was it a check/call?[/quote]
F if i know. What do you guys think?
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Fnord
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F if i know. What do you guys think?
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Never ever ever fold any pair to this guy in a steal situation.
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Fnord
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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ue#Post9121824
These are pretty basic blind defense problems and I'm not going to write up everything those sources discuss about these spots.
Not sure if you're aware or not, but you ran a really standard line against this guy in this spot. Ni Han.
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TylerK
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[quote=DrivingDog]
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Originally Posted by "Any reason you checked river? Was it a check/call?[/quote
F if i know. What do you guys think?
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He's never calling a river bet with a worse hand. Might as well check and give him a chance to bet. Best case, he bets a worse hand or checks behind a better one.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Fnord
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If we had K9 this would be a really easy river bet.
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DrivingDog
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Not sure if you're aware or not, but you ran a really standard line against this guy in this spot. Ni Han.
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Thanks. Read that book, and not sure if i remembered it all but when he calls the flop c/r and turn bet is when i get a bit nervous.
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Fnord
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He's never calling a river bet with a worse hand.
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LOL!
He's a super-aggro showdown monkey playing chicken hold'em.
I like Sklansky's approach to beating anyone at chicken. Throw the steering wheel of the window in full view of your opponent.
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DrivingDog
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I like Sklansky's approach to beating anyone at chicken. Throw the steering wheel of the window in full view of your opponent.
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Habal Anglais senor?
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
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arborman
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He's a super-aggro showdown monkey playing chicken hold'em.
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This morning I ran into one of those guys when I had 88 in the bb. Despite knowing he was an aggressive donkey I backed off on the turn with 2 big overcards (KQ) on the board. He showed me something like j3, and I cursed his name.
I'd be more bitter but he's one of my favourite players - a multitabling maniac, and I've made a fair bit of money from him over the last few weeks.
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Originally Posted by TylerK
He's never calling a river bet with a worse hand.
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LOL!
He's a super-aggro showdown monkey playing chicken hold'em.
I like Sklansky's approach to beating anyone at chicken. Throw the steering wheel of the window in full view of your opponent. |
There's an EXTREMELY small range of worse hands that can even consider calling this river.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Fnord
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There's an EXTREMELY small range of worse hands that can even consider calling this river.
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You != Him. He doesn't think like you.
Anyway, I agree that we're more likely to induce a bluff here than get a worse hand to call.
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There's an EXTREMELY small range of worse hands that can even consider calling this river.
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This guy called a check-raise with two undercards and no draw. These people don't suddenly tighten up on the river.
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DrivingDog
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There's an EXTREMELY small range of worse hands that can even consider calling this river.
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This guy called a check-raise with two undercards and no draw. These people don't suddenly tighten up on the river. |
lol. Yeah if i knew he's made bottom pair on the river i would have bet. Otherwise i'm thinking he can't possibly be as bad as the play on this hand suggests.
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TylerK
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There's an EXTREMELY small range of worse hands that can even consider calling this river.
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This guy called a check-raise with two undercards and no draw. These people don't suddenly tighten up on the river. |
This is a great reason why we don't post results. All we know about this player based on reads is that he raises light from the button and goes too far with his hands. *I* raise light from the button, but 43o is not part of my range.
There's no reason to believe he paired up the turn or river card if we don't see the results. Assuming he didn't pair the turn or river, what's he reasonably calling a river bet with that we beat? 44-77 and 8x? K high?
I'm sorry but a river bet is SO much worse than a river check, and it's not close.
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