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Genitruc
Old 02-07-2011, 01:37 AM     Post subject: Puke/Snap/Fistpump? #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain seems to be the biggest winner at this stake on my new site. Table just broke and we haven't had any confrontations yet HU.

I have seen him show the ability to barrel off his stack with the initiative in good spots but haven't seen him fight back much facing aggression.

Thoughts on river?

$100.00 USD PL Omaha - Saturday, February 05, 05:30:14 ET 2011
Table Grand Rapids (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 8: Mr.Grausam ( $518.60 USD )
Seat 3: HERO ( $270.95 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
Mr.Grausam posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO
HERO raises [$2.00 USD]
Mr.Grausam raises [$8.00 USD]
HERO calls [$6.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop **
Mr.Grausam bets [$13.50 USD]
HERO calls [$13.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn **
Mr.Grausam bets [$34.00 USD]
HERO raises [$147.00 USD]
Mr.Grausam calls [$113.00 USD]
** Dealing River **
Mr.Grausam bets [$254.50 USD]
HERO
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 02-07-2011, 01:53 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I'd raise flop all day.

and would check (is it 1/1?) pre.

I dunno on river, I think it's a coinflip, I typed up reasons for both actions so I gave up.
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Old 02-07-2011, 03:24 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 ya it's 1-1

i guess limping is fine but i just see no problem calling a 3-bet 300bb's deep with any four cards here.

the big question i have is how likely he is to turn top set into a bluff on this river or how likely he is to flat the turn with the nuts and shove this riv to get me off a chop.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 02-07-2011, 03:39 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 oh yeah for sure call the 3 bet, I just don't like raising to begin with. I mean it's fine but I want some unpaired hands in my limp range.
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:52 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Definitely raise flop.

Gross spot; have to think his turn continuing range is a lot of combo draws w/Ahxh so puke fold. meh
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:17 PM #6 (permalink)  
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actually i guess he has lots of set/2prs that include a bare Ah too so ugh...
Playing big pots at small stakes.
 
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:43 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 fwiw this guy loves to barrel with the initiative in spots where he s more likely to be nutted than his opponent so i preferred flatting flop and raising any turn, expecting him to barrel a huge % of perceived blanks.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:46 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 an example :

$100.00 USD PL Omaha - Sunday, February 06, 03:27:58 ET 2011
Table Kota Bharu (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 2: HERO ( $114.85 USD )
Seat 4: musko ( $121.50 USD )
Seat 6: Nakamator. ( $87.00 USD )
Seat 9: Mr.Grausam ( $122.75 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
musko posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO
Nakamator. folds
Mr.Grausam raises [$4.00 USD]
HERO calls [$3.00 USD]
musko calls [$3.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop **
HERO checks
musko checks
Mr.Grausam bets [$9.00 USD]
HERO calls [$9.00 USD]
musko calls [$9.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn **
HERO checks
musko checks
Mr.Grausam bets [$29.50 USD]
HERO calls [$29.50 USD]
musko folds
** Dealing River **
HERO checks
Mr.Grausam bets [$80.25 USD]
HERO calls [$72.35 USD]
HERO wins $240.70 USD from main pot
HERO shows
Mr.Grausam shows
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Old 02-07-2011, 09:29 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Wow yeah that hand changes things. I don't know that this is a 'good spot' but I guess I can see his logic OTT/R. I hate his flop bet.

so now I say call river for sure, with his image he may even be value betting AT.

I assume you meant you'd raise if you miss the turn, I would not raise or fold ever if you make your hand.
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:38 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I guess this dude just leveled us all into paying off his BD flush.
Playing big pots at small stakes.
 
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Old 02-08-2011, 03:23 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I guess this dude just leveled us all into paying off his BD flush.
everyone except for me

god i love plo
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Old 02-08-2011, 03:25 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 i think his 3 barrel is really good actually, outside of the fact that the c-bet is pretty unnecessary and spewy.

all these games i m playing are 5-max, so things tend to get a little crazy between the aggros.
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Old 02-08-2011, 08:04 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 dont we have only $100 behind in hand 1?
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Old 02-08-2011, 03:46 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 yup, 110ish . might be the worst fold i ve ever made, just figured that he knows i m calling 100% of the time so i figured FU i ll fold bitch.

i m still torn in hindsight
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:55 PM #15 (permalink)  
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So I think the unknown here is what your turn raise means to him. We have 1 HH showing you call down with trip jacks; does he put you on the nuts with this turn raise or have you been pushing back with 2 pair/combo draws. If he knows he's shoving against a strong range it seems a fold is OK.
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Old 02-08-2011, 06:49 PM #16 (permalink)  
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 I find myself wondering if pot-raising the turn is optimal
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Old 02-08-2011, 08:11 PM #17 (permalink)  
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 ya maybe flatting turn and calling any non-nut river and raising whenever i still have the nuts is a better line?

we don t have a ton of history besides the HH i posted above, pretty standard 100bb pots in rr pots with weak hands vs OP's, he likes to c-bet, i like to raise his c bets with the weaker part of my range and call with the stronger part of my range that doesn t do well equity-wise getting it in.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 02-09-2011, 02:05 AM #18 (permalink)  
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 is that his std turn bet sizing, like 80% pot? Sounds like you play a bunch of 3bet pots so you should know this.
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Old 02-09-2011, 03:10 AM #19 (permalink)  
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 that s his standard bet-sizing for every situation.

hard to believe that somebody so predictable would be a big winner, but we re talking about some pretty fucking soft games filled with loose-passive regs and whales.
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