www.flopturnriver.com

Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

Already Registered? Username: Password: Remember Forgot Password
Tweet

PT Autorate rules for low limit

LinkBack

Thread Tools

Display Modes

arborman

11-14-2007, 05:43 AM Post subject: PT Autorate rules for low limit

#1 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 300

I downloaded a set of autorate rules for limit awhile ago, but I'm finding it less than useful for the micro limits, though it might work higher up. Can anyone recommend an autorate setup that has worked well for them?

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!

snowboard_31

11-14-2007, 05:58 AM

#2 (permalink)

Straight

Join Date: Mar 2007

Posts: 206

I second this question

1. Get a seat to their right
2. Steal blinds at will
3. ...
4. Profit
"It should be a crime to not bet if someone has checked to you twice."
-soupie
"If you can pinpoint a player's range, you can own his soul."
-Bond18

KoRnholio

11-14-2007, 06:10 AM

#3 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jul 2005

Posts: 2,165

KoRnholio will become famous soon enough

During my 6max phase I remember searching all through the PT forums for some auto rate rules. I tried a few different ones, but I'm not sure if any were any good. I determined that I suck at 6max LHE and gave up on it.

I can dig up the ones I used last if you guys want.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

Hermann the Lombard

11-14-2007, 04:35 PM

#4 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 270

I find I pay much more attention to the numbers than to the ratings...partly because the numbers are displayed on the table in the HUD and the ratings only appear if I call up the details.

Speaking of ways to rate, I just saw a question why Aggression Factor is used instead of Aggression Frequency. The example is that one player who check/folds 6 times, check/raises 3 times, and check/calls one time (AF=3) vs a second player who c/f twice, c/r 6 times, and c/c twice (also AF=3 but clearly more aggressive). In Agg Frequency the former is a 30 and the latter is a 60.

Oh, no! Not another learning experience!

arborman

11-14-2007, 07:34 PM

#5 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 300

Maybe another way to phrase the question would be to ask about some good parameters for players.

i.e. I have a good idea what constitutes a good tag player statwise. I have some trouble differentiating between a total frikkin maniac and a profitable and dangerous lagtag or lag player. This has proven costly at times, and I'd love to see some ideas about ways to rate them that will help me avoid landmines.

And surely there are variations of fish that can affect the way they are played into. A calling station is easy - just never bluff, and make him pay all the way along. Others are less easy.

As much as I am about to start hammering together a rating system that reflects the players I see every day, I'd love it if someone else has already done so. Because it is more fun to just play poker...

jyms

11-14-2007, 08:10 PM

#6 (permalink)

Tilting Mod

Join Date: Feb 2006

Posts: 4,836

http://www.andymcnish.btinternet.co.uk/newauto.htm

These are the best you will find they have FR & 6m on the site , just look around.

Herman? you can go into PaHud's layout manager and select icons and add them to your hud display. Just move them where you want them.

YouTube - Classified - "Oh... Canada" [Official Video]

Hermann the Lombard

11-14-2007, 11:45 PM

#7 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 270

Thanks, T.j.

Any adjustments you think needed to apply those autorate rules down here in the limit micros? Those are based on 50NL. Likely they're a pretty good guideline as is.

Oh, no! Not another learning experience!

arborman

11-15-2007, 03:27 AM

#8 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 300

Through that link I found my way to a thread at Bet the Pot which has a good discussion and a few options which I intend to try out.

Apologies if it is bad form to link to other forums.[/url]

pokerfanatic

11-15-2007, 02:11 PM

#9 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Aug 2004

Location: 6max limit tables

Posts: 1,968

the famous Bison Rules from 2p2:

Code:

Autorate Rules Begin
Aggression:N
ARI_2	0	LP-P
1	2	30.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than or equal to 30.00
2	3	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 5.00
15	3	1.50		Aggression Factor - Total is less than 1.50
ARI_3	0	TA-A
1	4	20.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 20.00
2	2	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 5.00
15	2	2.00		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 2.00
ARI_4	0	sLA-A
1	5	20.00	30.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 20.00 and 30.00
2	2	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 5.00
15	2	1.50		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.50
ARI_5	0	sLA_P
1	5	20.00	30.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 20.00 and 30.00
2	2	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 5.00
15	3	1.50		Aggression Factor - Total is less than 1.50
ARI_6	0	TA-P
1	4	20.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 20.00
2	2	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 5.00
15	4	1.00		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.00
ARI_8	0	LA-P
1	2	30.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than or equal to 30.00
2	2	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 5.00
15	3	1.50		Aggression Factor - Total is less than 1.50
ARI_9	0	TP-P
1	4	20.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 20.00
2	3	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 5.00
15	3	1.50		Aggression Factor - Total is less than 1.50
ARI_10	0	LA-A
1	2	30.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than or equal to 30.00
2	2	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 5.00
15	2	1.50		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.50
ARI_11	0	sLP-A
1	5	20.00	30.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 20.00 and 30.00
2	3	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 5.00
15	2	1.50		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.50
ARI_12	0	sLP-P
1	5	20.00	30.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 20.00 and 30.00
2	3	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 5.00
15	3	1.50		Aggression Factor - Total is less than 1.50
ARI_13	0	TP-A
1	4	20.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 20.00
2	3	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 5.00
15	2	1.50		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.50
ARI_14	0	LP-A
1	2	30.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than or equal to 30.00
2	3	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 5.00
15	2	1.50		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.50
ARI_15	0	TA-N
1	4	20.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 20.00
2	2	5.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 5.00
15	5	1.00	2.00	Aggression Factor - Total is between 1.00 and 2.00
Autorate Rules End

I'll mod these rules for 6m if anyone is interested I'll post them after i mod it and get it working...

“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~

"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~

"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord

Jibalob

11-15-2007, 02:44 PM

#10 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: May 2007

Location: Out of my roll

Posts: 512

Quote:

I'll mod these rules for 6m if anyone is interested I'll post them after i mod it and get it working...

That would be pretty sweet - I've never seen a set of decent LHE 6max autorate rules anywhere else.

PLEASE READ ULTIMATE BET THREAD IN "ONLINE POKER ROOMS" FORUM
Wait, this is .05/.10 and you got sexied, I can't believe that shit, limit must really be dying.[/quote]

pokerfanatic

11-15-2007, 02:54 PM

#11 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Aug 2004

Location: 6max limit tables

Posts: 1,968

PokerFanatic's 6m Rules... if anyone has a question on why i chose the values i did I'll be happy to answer... but it loaded fine and re-rated the players fine... only issue is you can't run both a FR and a 6m auto rate rule you can only run one or the other...

Code:

Autorate Rules Begin
Aggression:N
ARI_2	2	LP-P
1	2	35.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than or equal to 35.00
2	3	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 10.00
15	4	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.75

ARI_3	14	TA-A
1	4	25.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 25.00
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15	2	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.75

ARI_4	9	sLA-A
1	5	25.00	35.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 25.00 and 35.00
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15	2	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.75

ARI_5	8	sLA-P
1 	5 	25.00	35.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 25.00 and 35.00
2 	2 	10.00 		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15 	4 	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.75

ARI_6	12	TA-P
1	4	25.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 20.00
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 5.00
15	4	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.75

ARI_7	1	Maniac
1	2	60.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than or equal to 60.00
15	2	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.75
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00

ARI_8	6	LA-P
1	2	35.00	60.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 35.00 and 60.00
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15	4	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.75

ARI_9	10	TP-P
1	4	25.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 25.00
2	3	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 10.00
15	4	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.75

ARI_10	7	LA-A
1	2	35.00	60.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 35.00 and 60.00
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15	2	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.75

ARI_11	5	sLP-A
1	5	25.00	35.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 25.00 and 35.00
2	3	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 10.00
15	2	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.75

ARI_12	4	sLP-P
1	5	25.00	35.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 25.00 and 35.00
2	3	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 10.00
15	4	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.75

ARI_13	11	TP-A
1	4	25.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 25.00
2	3	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 10.00
15	2	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.75

ARI_14	3	LP-A
1	2	35.00	60.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 35.00 and 60.00
2	3	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 10.00
15	1	1.75		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than 1.75

ARI_15	13	TA-N
1	4	25.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 25.00
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15	5	1.00	1.75	Aggression Factor - Total is between 1.00 and 1.75
Autorate Rules End

i might rethink my number on 60vpip, i think i might drop that down to even a 50 vpip... i dunno yet...

also i think i might mod the vpip of 25% up to around 28% given that's about the upper bound i'd accept for Tagg play

Hermann the Lombard

11-15-2007, 04:48 PM

#12 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 270

Quote:

Originally Posted by arborman

Through that link I found my way to a thread at Bet the Pot which has a good discussion and a few options which I intend to try out.

Interesting! Pity the Tiburon link is DOA (and I'm too lazy to edit the rules myself). I am experimenting with a version from that British site.

Oh, no! Not another learning experience!

DrivingDog

11-15-2007, 05:07 PM

#13 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Jul 2007

Location: UK

Posts: 923

I use settings fairly similar to Pokerfanatic myself but only as a general guideline to the playability of a particular table. If i find myself at a table with 3 little moneybag icons (TA-A) and no fish icons I move on.

Once you start playing you need more information on a particular player. Even TAGs have weaknesses and/or exploitable tendencies, and some LAGs and fish have strengths to go with their weaknesses.

My HUD includes the usual things and also steal %, fold SB and fold BB to steal (for blind wars), some turn stats: C-bet turn when bet flop (to identify two-barrellers), fold to turn raise (to identify bluffable opponents and/or those who will call down with anything), win when raise turn (to provide info on the likely strength of a turn raise), and some showdown stats (WSD and W$SD - sometimes TAGs are also showdown monkeys and won't fold their AK no matter what, others can be pushed off decent hands fairly easily), and fold to river raise (some otherwise sensible players do this way too much, others won't fold A high - so this knowledge comes in handy on the river.

Some of the turn and river stats take a pretty long time to become statistically reliable (about 500 hands), so these are mostly useful after you've played with an opponent for a fair amount of time. The others generally don't take as long - maybe about 100 hands.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

arborman

11-15-2007, 05:37 PM

#14 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 300

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrivingDog

Some of the turn and river stats take a pretty long time to become statistically reliable (about 500 hands), so these are mostly useful after you've played with an opponent for a fair amount of time. The others generally don't take as long - maybe about 100 hands.

Generally if I have 500 hands on somebody it means they are a typical tag/multitabler that I see all the time. Their later street stats are important, but I rarely find myself in the later streets with these guys unless I have the nuts - usually one or the other of us has raised preflop. It is a reasonable assumption that they also have Pokertracker, and with that many hands they know I play a tag style too. If I am in a late street with one of these guys it usually tends to be a situation where both of us are playing correctly (i.e. I am protecting my leading hand & they are drawing to nut flush/straight with correct odds, or vice versa).

Where I would like PT autorate rules to help me more is in categorizing the play of the very aggressive players - lagtags, maniacs and others. However, because of their style they can be up a lot or down a lot in my stats without it meaning as much. The standard deviation is higher, so the stats are less valuable. But, if you get their number, these guys can be very profitable to play against. And if they get yours, it can be very costly. So I'm looking for some autorate rules that help with those high value turn and river decisions against players that are either total morons or really good...

DrivingDog

11-15-2007, 06:20 PM

#15 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Jul 2007

Location: UK

Posts: 923

Quote:

Originally Posted by arborman

So I'm looking for some autorate rules that help with those high value turn and river decisions against players that are either total morons or really good...

Ok, well i don't know the answer to that question sorry. There is no good/bad lag index i can think of that is reliable over a small sample. The best I can suggest is >50% W$SD is a good lag and <50% is a bad one, but you still probably need about 300 hands for that.

Taking copious notes is probably your best plan B (or plan A if you dont expect them to be around that long).

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

pokerfanatic

11-15-2007, 06:27 PM

#16 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Aug 2004

Location: 6max limit tables

Posts: 1,968

yea, i don't even really use the autorate icons i simply just look at the stats themselves... my PAHud for 6 max displays 9 stats, and i'm probably missing a couple lol... i just went with 9 important stats to me...

VPIP, PFR, TAF, W2SD, C-Bet, C-Bet Fold, Att. 2 Steal, Fold 2 Att. steal SB, Fold 2 Att. steal BB

PS: the autorate i'm running now...

Code:

Autorate Rules Begin
Aggression:N
ARI_2	2	LP-P
1	2	35.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than or equal to 35.00
2	3	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 10.00
15	4	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.8

ARI_3	14	TA-A
1	4	28.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 25.00
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15	2	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.8

ARI_4	9	sLA-A
1	5	28.00	35.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 28.00 and 35.00
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15	2	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.8

ARI_5	8	sLA-P
1 	5 	28.00	35.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 28.00 and 35.00
2 	2 	10.00 		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15 	4 	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.8

ARI_6	12	TA-P
1	4	28.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 28.00
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15	4	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.8

ARI_7	1	Maniac
1	2	50.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is greater than or equal to 50.00
15	2	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.8
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00

ARI_8	6	LA-P
1	2	35.00	50.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 35.00 and 50.00
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15	4	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.8

ARI_9	10	TP-P
1	4	28.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 28.00
2	3	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 10.00
15	4	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.8

ARI_10	7	LA-A
1	2	35.00	50.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 35.00 and 50.00
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15	2	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.8

ARI_11	5	sLP-A
1	5	28.00	35.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 28.00 and 35.00
2	3	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 10.00
15	2	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.8

ARI_12	4	sLP-P
1	5	28.00	35.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 28.00 and 35.00
2	3	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 10.00
15	4	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is less than or equal to 1.8

ARI_13	11	TP-A
1	4	28.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 28.00
2	3	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 10.00
15	2	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than or equal to 1.8

ARI_14	3	LP-A
1	2	35.00	50.00	Vol. Put Money In Pot % is between 35.00 and 50.00
2	3	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is less than 10.00
15	1	1.8		Aggression Factor - Total is greater than 1.8

ARI_15	13	TA-N
1	4	28.00		Vol. Put Money In Pot % is less than or equal to 28.00
2	2	10.00		Pre-flop Raise % is greater than or equal to 10.00
15	5	1.00	1.8	Aggression Factor - Total is between 1.00 and 1.8
Autorate Rules End

arborman

11-15-2007, 07:37 PM

#17 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 300

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrivingDog

Fair enough, and of course copious notes are good - though they can be deceptive with a tricky LAG player. I.e. the fact he limped 64s in lp then bet aggressively with it doesn't mean he is a bad player necessarily, if it pays off once in awhile and/or causes some other players to fold often enough to make it profitable. It does hint that he might be a bad player.

Icons are handy as a shorthand at times, at least for some decisions. Usually I tend to look at stats and notes. But anything that simplifies decisions without causing me to make the wrong ones would be very welcome.

I might try a couple of the ideas posted in here though.

snowboard_31

11-15-2007, 08:52 PM

#18 (permalink)

Straight

Join Date: Mar 2007

Posts: 206

Im gonna try using these for awhile, i put them into PT today.
Im using them for .25/.50 LHE (a decent downswing has shattered my .50/1 confidence and im dropping down for awhile)

pokerfanatic

11-16-2007, 01:14 PM

#19 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Aug 2004

Location: 6max limit tables

Posts: 1,968

looking at my VPIP at the bottom end at 10, i think that's a little rocky to be a tagg... so i might append this thing again at a later time as i gather my thoughts a bit more on a good solid range for a TA-A... i think i have the upper ends in place i just think this is gonna be the lower end modifications...

pokerfanatic

11-29-2007, 06:20 PM

#20 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Aug 2004

Location: 6max limit tables

Posts: 1,968

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowboard_31

Im gonna try using these for awhile, i put them into PT today.
Im using them for .25/.50 LHE (a decent downswing has shattered my .50/1 confidence and im dropping down for awhile)

what site are you playing on? I'm just wondering, the UB limit games are horrible... been playing at FTP lately myself...

Knytestorme

06-16-2008, 04:58 AM

#21 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: May 2005

Location: Australia

Posts: 562

For great bumpage

Just started looking for some 6-max autorate rules (man, been running with no rules for last 12+ months since I forgot to readd them after an upgrade) and wondering how these went for people, or if you had modified them further Fanatic?

Chopper

06-20-2008, 03:18 PM

#22 (permalink)

Straight Flush

Join Date: Dec 2005

Location: St. Louis, MO

Posts: 4,255

is the TAF # a bit high for limit? i must be playing at super-soft stakes at .25/.50 because its rare for me to find a player over 1.5, much less 1.8. seems well over 66% of the players are under 0.8.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

Latest Poker News
KoRnholio	05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ... more at Poker Blogs »

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Trackbacks are On Pingbacks are On Refbacks are On Forum Rules

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:42 PM.

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum

This is not a gambling website.

Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

Poker Forum

All Other (Limit) Poker

PT Autorate rules for low limit

Play for FREE and practice your game at...