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miamivice

06-08-2005, 12:43 PM Post subject: "protected" ... but then?

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3/6 @ Party. I'm SB, saxtorph is slightloose-semiaggressive

***** Hand History for Game 2169891739 *****
$3/$6 Hold'em - Tuesday, June 07, 14:03:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 32707 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: bamdanny ( $200.25 )
Seat 3: taktloss47 ( $294 )
Seat 4: damasceno ( $152 )
Seat 5: nypkmn ( $53.06 )
Seat 6: meris ( $170 )
Seat 7: FivePastTheo ( $110 )
Seat 8: shepdog27 ( $139.75 )
Seat 9: davidd72 ( $134 )
Seat 10: twix0 ( $130 )
Seat 2: saxtorph ( $188.5 )
taktloss47 posts small blind [$1].
damasceno posts big blind [$3].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to taktloss47 [ Ad 8c ]
nypkmn calls [$3].
meris calls [$3].
FivePastTheo folds.
shepdog27 folds.
davidd72 folds.
twix0 calls [$3].
bamdanny calls [$3].
saxtorph calls [$3].
taktloss47 calls [$2].
damasceno checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 2d, Kh ]
taktloss47 checks.
damasceno checks.
nypkmn checks.
meris checks.
twix0 checks.
bamdanny checks.
saxtorph bets [$3].
taktloss47 raises [$6].
damasceno folds.
nypkmn folds.
meris calls [$6].
twix0 folds.
bamdanny folds.
saxtorph calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
taktloss47 bets [$6].
meris folds.
saxtorph raises [$12].
taktloss47 ???

easy laydown or calldown? (Pot: 54$)

In these situations (also when protecting 2nd Pair) i never know what to do. help me

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06-08-2005, 02:03 PM

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2nd pair is an easy lay down.
but since this guy is loose aggressive i'm more inclined to call down. i think you're outkicked the majority of the time though. i fold.

Element187

06-08-2005, 03:15 PM

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use the hand converter.

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ChezJ

06-08-2005, 08:04 PM

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i think a more important question is, why did you enter a pot with A8o in worst position against 6 opponents?

if it was AK or AQ, i don't think you would be so unsure about your hand.

A8 is a piece of shit in ANY position. that's the problem here.

ChezJ

Fnord

06-08-2005, 08:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChezJ

A8 is a piece of shit in ANY position. that's the problem here.

All from this last week...

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is Button with A

, 8

.
6 folds, Fnord raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 2

, T

, 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, BB calls.

River: (5.16 BB) A

(2 players)
BB bets, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 7.16 BB

Results:
BB has 7h 6d (one pair, sixes).
Fnord has Ac 8d (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Fnord wins 7.16 BB.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is MP3 with A

, 8

.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Fnord raises, 4 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) Q

, 8

, Q

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Fnord bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) 8

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Fnord bets, MP1 calls.

River: (5.66 BB) 4

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Fnord bets, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 6.66 BB

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is Button with A

, 8

.
2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Fnord raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) K

, 6

, K

(2 players)
MP2 checks, Fnord bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) 3

(2 players)
MP2 checks, Fnord bets, MP2 calls.

River: (5.66 BB) T

(2 players)
MP2 checks, Fnord checks.

Final Pot: 5.66 BB

Results:
MP2 has Ac 4c (one pair, kings).
Fnord has As 8d (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Fnord wins 5.66 BB.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is Button with 8

, A

.
2 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Fnord calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 7

, K

, Q

(4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Fnord checks.

Turn: (2.16 BB) Q

(4 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, CO folds, Fnord raises, BB folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 5.16 BB

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is Button with 8

, A

.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Fnord raises, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) K

, 7

, K

(2 players)
UTG checks, Fnord bets, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 3.16 BB

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is Button with A

, 8

.
4 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Fnord raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 9

, T

, 9

(2 players)
MP2 checks, Fnord bets, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 3.16 BB

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is CO with 8

, A

. Fnord posts a blind of $3.
2 folds, Fnord (poster) raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 3

, 8

, 7

(3 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Fnord 3-bets, SB caps, BB calls, Fnord calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 9

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Fnord checks.

River: (9 BB) 5

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Fnord checks.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Results:
SB has 7c 8s (two pair, eights and sevens).
BB has 8d Ts (one pair, eights).
Fnord has 8c Ad (one pair, eights).
Outcome: SB wins 9 BB.

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miamivice

06-08-2005, 08:42 PM

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Location: Hamburg, Germany

Posts: 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChezJ

i think a more important question is, why did you enter a pot with A8o in worst position against 6 opponents?

yes, good point. Normally i fold this but i was on a nice rush and had some ... "feeling"

I think the button has A5s or a flopped set, which he wanted to play "tricky".

btw: sorry for the unformatted HH

ChezJ

06-08-2005, 08:42 PM

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Location: Washington, D.C.

Posts: 1,456

fnord i'm not really sure if you are refuting or confirming what i said about A8.

Fnord

06-08-2005, 08:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChezJ

fnord i'm not really sure if you are refuting or confirming what i said about A8.

A8o is a pretty good hand in position with aggression backing it up. You just need to pick your targets.

BTW, I would fold the posted hand pre-flop too. The joy of the 1/3 structure is not being compelled to play these positions out.

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