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what I would like here are comments on how the hand was played on every street. negative comments are welcome but if you do bash me please say why and a solution. I don't have a lot of info on the villan as I only have 47 hands against him. his stats are 14/10/47. the hand went like this. Full Tilt Poker Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $1/$2 9 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $43.25 UTG+1: $53.25 MP1: $84.75 MP2: $17.25 MP3: $48.50 CO: $57.50 Button: $42.25 SB: $65.75 Hero: $95 Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with   7 folds, SB calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls. Flop:    (6SB, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls. Turn:  (4BB, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls. River:  (8BB, 2 players)SB bets is my preflop play here good? was it a good move to cap it preflop? and what about the other streets? Is there another way I could of played this. |
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| Nehmer |
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| Capping preflop is definately good in position vs somebody with a 10 PFR. Once he calls the flop bet, I see no reason at all to bet the turn. You are very likely behind here and the hands you have beat, probably don't call the turn bet, but might bluff the river. I would check through the turn and call the river unimproved. | ||
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| Your hand can stand a 3bet here so I r/c. I wouldn't cap a 3bet on the river. It could very well be a poorly played AsAx. | ||
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PF: Good F: Good T: Good, but only because you now have a flush draw R: I'd raise. |
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| NWNewell |
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The fact that he c/c the flop after the preflop action and worries me. I capped it so you expects me to bet the flop too. This really really smells like a big hand. I seriously doubt TT & JJ are slow playing the flop here. A donk might with AK. I think the fact that he c/c the flop worries me. He either has us beat or is on a high flush draw, or maybe called with only one over (A) because he feels committed. I think he probably holds the A or K of spades if he is on the flush draw. Personally, it really smells like AA or KK (maybe AK). I lean towards check/calling it down after the flop call. But now I definitely want to after the turn card. I think we are way behind more often than not. Making trips helps, but I'm still worried about KK or the flush. I'm making a crying call on the turn and river. I don't think raising the river buys us anything. We are going to get popped with a 3-bet by a better hand. I don't think we bet enough hands to make it worth the risk. |
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| We gotta raise the river. AA calls, AK calls. No reason to be scared of that flush card. | ||
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| NWNewell |
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With his line, call me "Mr. Too-Much-Credit" but I am thinking opp has AA, KK, AK for the most part. Statistically speaking that would be AA 22% KK 22% AK 56%. But his line has me leaning even more towards AA or KK. So I move those numbers to AA 30%, KK 25%, AK 45%. Excluding the flush possibility, we are looking at: - AA 30% of the time. opp could call or 3-bet our river raise, either way we win. ~ +1.5bb value from river raise. - KK 25% of the time opp will definitely 3-bet us. -2.0bb from river raise. - AK 45% of the time opp would probably just call the river raise. ~ +1.2bb value from river raise. TOTALS: +0.49bb I'm still kind of worried about the flush because on the rare occasion that it does happen, it is definitely going to cause us two more bb than if we would have just called. But you are probably right, it's not going to happen often enough to turn the river raise into -EV. |
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Meh more i think about it the more I'm not sure. AA tends to go to war on the flop. I'd be very surprised to see AA here. AK tends toward the turn c/r if that (probably more of a c/c c/c b line) Random suited AQ, AJ, Ax's c/r the turn. Man... I'm still saying we gotta raise here, because if you dont raise with second set in LHE youre leaving money on the table, but I'm with you on really feeling beat. just check through the goddamned turn |
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| pokerfanatic |
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| if he has a 10% PFR his hand range is so tight... i think i bet flop check behind turn... as for the river if he leads after i check (which must likely will happen regardless what he holds) you have to ask yourself what can he 3bet/call cap PF with then call bet on the flop with... AK, AQs(in spades obv), AJs (same here), 99-JJ unless you can think of something else... you beat all those hands except 2... i think i put in a raise if he 3 bets call... | ||
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They way it was played, with the preflop action, c/c the flop, and c/r the turn, I am hesitant about raising the river (although it seems it might be slightly correct to do so). But if we played the turn the way we all feel it should have been played (check behind). Then we don't have the additonal info about our opp that the turn c/r is trying to tell us. So, fanatic, I agree... in that light I would probably put him on a similar hand range and would think we have to raise the river. but if we bet the turn like the OP did and got check raised, I'm more worried that you slowplayed a big hand on the flop to pop us on the turn. Anyway.... good to see you coming back around, fanatic. |
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| pokerfanatic |
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to shay... great point... I think really we are talking like 0.25bb on average gain or save something like that… so it important to think about in a long run situation given limit has gotten slightly tighter at the higher levels the slight +EV things you can do will help… Yea, I disappeared for awhile I had some real personal things going on trying to deal with life problems can be a pain in the ass... |
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