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honsheung
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04-26-2005, 10:50 AM
Post subject: Preflop KQ and KJ
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Straight
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When KQ and KJ face a raise preflop, will you 3bets, just wanna to know the common practice of you guys?
condition: 6 max table
stake:1/2
case
1) when face only one raiser , you
2) when face two people who have already placed two small bets before you.
Any idea? 
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Fnord
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I would 3-bet KQ vs a single aggro raiser
I would only 3-bet KJo vs a Maniac or in a blind defense.
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ChezJ
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personally i am folding these easily dominated hands to 2 bets, even if i've limped in for 1 bet. i definitely will not cold call with any two cards that are offsuit and do not include an ace. even maniacs catch AA/KK/AKs sometimes.
if you insist on playing against a raiser, at least make sure you've got position on him.
ChezJ
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Demiparadigm
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That is so sad. 
You must be really unsure of your post flop play to lay down these hands for one more bet.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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ChezJ
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what i meant is i will fold to 2 MORE bets if i've already limped in for 1. obviously i will call for only 1 more bet.
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Demiparadigm
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In that case I agree. I have recently started cold calling 2 bets with KQo from late position, but I don't recomend it, especially for beginners. KJo is an easy fold to 2 bets.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
I have recently started cold calling 2 bets with KQo from late position, but I don't recomend it, especially for beginners.
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It's a bad play.
Your hand plays bad in a multi-pot, and most raisers have you dominated. If you disrespect the raiser that much, then 3-bet his LAggy ass.
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Cold Calling = Bad.
Cold Calling with Dominated Hands = worse
Cold Calling with dominated hands that arent suited = teh suck.
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honsheung
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I would 3-bet KQ vs a single aggro raiser
I would only 3-bet KJo vs a Maniac or in a blind defense.
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3bets kq is good?
but the rasier may has AX. may be dominated?
two high cards can vs a single A, do u eman that?
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by honsheung
3bets kq is good?
but the rasier may has AX. may be dominated?
two high cards can vs a single A, do u eman that?
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You're probably not ahead, but you're not behind Ax or a med pocket pair by much either. You 3-bet to take command of the hand, get dead blind money in. Also, you'll quite often take down an Axx board without showdown. Finally, if you showdown it might generate more action next time you 3-bet. It's a MUCH better play than cold calling.
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