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08-06-2008, 06:43 AM
Post subject: Preflop decision
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I was playing short-handed... then all of a sudden all of these people join the table. All of them post. I'm on the button with 84o. Is it worth calling against mostly random hands?
PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 4 , 8 . MP3 posts a blind of $0.5. CO posts a blind of $0.5. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 (poster) checks, CO (poster) checks, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (8 SB) 8 , 4, 9 (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, CO folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.
Turn: (7 BB) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, MP3 calls.
River: (11 BB) A (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.
Final Pot: 11 BB
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
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That's one of the few hands I would fold preflop with in that spot.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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Yeah, thinking about it I think I needed 84s or something
because 89 has me crushed - when I make an 8 high straight 89 makes a 9 high straight
I win 6% of the time considering I will have to fold if I don't get a piece of the flop (when I could still win) and I'm getting 1 to 8
I got the 6% figure because pokerstove gave 6.5% in monte carlo trials, and I'm guessing hitting runner-runner after missing the flop or folding because I don't have the odds to draw to a gutshot on the turn or something
but I doubt position will give me enough of an edge to make back 0.5 SB post-flop
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DrivingDog
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 923
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Probably fold this preflop.
Bet the river please.
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
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Originally Posted by DrivingDog
Probably fold this preflop.
Bet the river please.
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agree with both
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 4,255
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surely, we dont need much more than 7:1 to play ANY two in an unraised, mostly posted pot looking for two pair+? if we only play for 2pr+, dont we need to win a 13ish bet pot? we have 4 in already, counting us. if we are in position, dont we stand a better chance of getting another 9 in when we connect? all i'm saying is that this HAS to be really close.
if you were SB, though, this is an easy call.
what if we are BB and UTG raises and all posters call? we still play any 2, yes?
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Chopper
surely, we dont need much more than 7:1 to play ANY two in an unraised, mostly posted pot looking for two pair+? if we only play for 2pr+, dont we need to win a 13ish bet pot? we have 4 in already, counting us. if we are in position, dont we stand a better chance of getting another 9 in when we connect? all i'm saying is that this HAS to be really close.
if you were SB, though, this is an easy call.
what if we are BB and UTG raises and all posters call? we still play any 2, yes?
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I was looking for that two card straight
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