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rowhousepd
Old 08-09-2009, 09:27 PM     Post subject: preflop averages for micro players/opponents #1 (permalink)  
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 I'm just curious what you all think of these VP$P & PFR stats for limit micro stakes I've been playing (and grinding my way up through). Keep in mind they are at $.5-.10 and .10-20, full ring limit games, taken from only about 25k hands, and are my of my opponents, not me.

Average VP&P: 32%
Tightest quarter: 22%
Loosest quarter: 50%

Average PFR: 7.5
Most aggressive quarter: 14.0
Least aggressive quarter: 2.5

Btw, yes, I know that every table has it's own characteristics, that you have to make adjustments, that things get very different as the stakes get higher, etc. I'm just trying to figure out how to play a little tighter preflop than my opponents -- just in general. Thanks.

(p.s. Top & bottom quarter represents 25th & 75th percentile ... in case you couldn't guess. Duh.)
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:05 AM #2 (permalink)  

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I think you have to play with the flow of the table.
Make adjustments based on other players strategies.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:35 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Probably, I was just curious since I had just noticed that you can see the summary & averages of all the opponents you've played.

Dumb newbie questions perhaps: I've been sticking to the opening hand charts in the "classic" low stakes Holdem books by Sklansky and one by Lee Jones. If you follow their suggestions, you wind up playing about 17% of your hands ... which, as you can see from the #'s above, is waaaay tighter than micro opponents. I think I should be loosening up, but I'm not sure by how much. In theory more or less, would think a VP$P of 20% still be too tight? Would, say, 5% tighter than my opponents (so around 27%ish) be too loose? (Again, I know it's different with every table, but I'm just talking an approach to loose players in general.)
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Old 08-20-2009, 12:36 PM #4 (permalink)  
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here is 26% of your hands: 55+,A2s+,K6s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,A7o+,K9o+,Q9o+,JTo

that would be my default range of hands. i would run about 20% in ep and about 35% in lp. i would aim for a pfr of 2/3 my vpip at any given position.

i would also note that they are leaning towards passive players (as if the stakes wouldnt tell you that anyway). so, i would valuebet as thin as i could imagine, raise bigger hands with impunity (again, realizing they dont 3bet w/o strength and dont cap w/o the danged nuts), call down 3card boards, but fold off 4 card boards (realizing they love the chase with AX hands), and wouldnt bluff without 6+ outs....preferably 8+.

you can download "pokerstove" and work on the ranges yourself. but, thats where i got the 26% hands.

caveat: there are lots of spots to bluff out full ring nits. they dont play as aggressively as 6max for the most part. therefore, you can donk some flops and take away the hand with one sb quite often. just remember, most of the players wont continue with Ahi, but they cant fold A2 when the A hits, either.

thats a generic gameplan, and SHOULD be altered the more you play. but, dont deviate from this until you have been shown proof that your opponent plays differently than what i am describing.
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:28 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I play a bit tighter than Chopper, though I can go wider than that at the right table.

Aces, theirs and yours, are the money.
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