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Fnord
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09-30-2005, 07:36 AM
Post subject: Pre-flop revisited
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Folded to HJ. A 70/30 split who's hitting rivers and almost always seeing a river when he's in a hand.
HJ raises.
CO looks fishy but I've only seen him play for an orbit. CO cold-calls.
SB has just over 3BB in front of him and has been calling off his money.
BB just sat down
I have A J on the button and call....
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jmontis
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cap the flop with no pair no draw then catch runner jacks, then spam the chat saying how good you are at poker.
Against 4 random hands, you're in good shape, but TPTK is necessary to continue. Maybe see a turn card for one SB with a good flop.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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A'aag
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Originally Posted by jmontis
but TPTK is necessary to continue
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So you're folding if you catch an ace??
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Originally Posted by Fnord
CO looks fishy
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I think a lot depends on how strong this read is. What mean is, I'm not sure what 'looks fishy' means, but if he's basically an unknown his cold-call makes me like my hand a little less. You're saying the SB will almost definitely call, which means the BB will most likely come along too- now you've got a multi-way pot with a hand that doesn't do well multi-way...I'm liking this less and less the more I think about it.
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thenonsequitur
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Originally Posted by A'aag
You're saying the SB will almost definitely call
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I've noticed that when people get down to their last few BB worth of stack and have the chance to gamble it on a big pot, they will. I think SB will often raise here, looking for a preflop cap and a lucky flop. This even sometimes applies to players like this SB in particular who have been calling...calling...calling. They suddenly bet/raise/cap anything when their stack gets very small.
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koolmoe
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It's obviously a raise if CO folds. But I like keeping the pot small when you probably have the best hand but not a significant equity edge.
The worst case would be that you raise, SB and BB call and HJ caps. Then you'd be caught in a game of two-card bingo with 10BB in preflop.
Calling sets up your postflop play well if HJ is aggressive postflop since it will be easier for you to isolate with a smaller pot and a bettor acting before you.
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Fnord
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Koolmoe think like Fnord here (or Fnord think like Koolmoe.)
Results:
Blinds call, 5 to the frop.
I frop top 2 and the hand plays itself....
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by A'aag
What mean is, I'm not sure what 'looks fishy' means
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Hasn't done anything yet to suggest he knows how to play (like raise pre-flop.) Maybe a short buy-in mixed in as well. I probably have an orbit or so of data on him. His cold-call here could be a pretty wide range.
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A'aag
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by A'aag
What mean is, I'm not sure what 'looks fishy' means
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Hasn't done anything yet to suggest he knows how to play (like raise pre-flop.) Maybe a short buy-in mixed in as well. I probably have an orbit or so of data on him. His cold-call here could be a pretty wide range. |
Ok that does look fishy- I would normally 3-bet in that case, and I'm not saying I'm right. The SB's situation complicates this, and I like koolmoe's reasoning for keeping the pot small for now.
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dalecooper
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I do too. Nobody's folding to the raise and your equity edge/odds of hitting the flop aren't large. Good hand.
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I wouldn't raise because AJ is too marginal of a hand to 3-bet with if there are several people in the pot (because the CO called)
At my stakes moves are almost always punished by call downs anyway and the blinds almost always call raises with any two due to the 10/15 blind structure and being a fish
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