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SonOfAkira

03-08-2006, 06:29 AM Post subject: PP and Comcast team up to doom switch me!! (high content)

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Tag teamed.
I almost cried.
Does that make me less of a man?
Probably.

So, my first day of seriously playing Omaha 8. After donking off three buyins learning the hard way that you can't bet draws aggressively as in NLHE, I came back to be up about a buyin and a half, with a four buyin stack on one table. I realized I enjoy this game far better than any other form of poker, mainly because the players are so terrible. I don't think they can keep track of all that is happening.
Now, I was on a roll, when this hand came up:

Hero, on button.
Dealt As 5s Ad 6d.
Called a small donkish preflop minraise with six seeing the flop.
Flop is dealt.
2s 3s 4s.
SB leads out for 3/4 pot!
BB and UTG both call!
UTG +1 looks like he is mulling things over, and is taking an awfully long time...
...
...
Attempting to re-establish connection...
Unable to re-establish connection.
Connection lost.
...
My whole computer froze up.
It was a hell of a thing.
I don't blame you if you don't believe, because quite frankly I refuse to believe it myself.

On a brighter note, I am excited about the profit to be made at this game, and was taking down pots with starting hands and flops not nearly as good as that one, so...

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mb2447

03-08-2006, 06:41 AM

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if i ever lost connection holding the steel wheel i think i'd quit poker.

AWOL.

SonOfAkira

03-08-2006, 09:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mb2447

if i ever lost connection holding the steel wheel i think i'd quit poker.

It still doesn't seem real to me, probably considering this was my first serious omaha session, and it was insane it general. Chips flying every which way.
I am also telling myself that maybe i looked at it wrong, the suits that is. That it wasn't steel but just a normal wheel. A disconnection on a normal wheel is bad enough.
The whole experience seems surreal, playing omaha that is. I've freaked out during connection problems playing NLHE, but i was being facetious and this actually didnt bother me. I'm thinking because i couldnt grasp the significance of it in a game like omaha. With a strong hand like that in NLHE, you're not guaranteed action, but his was about to get ridiculous... sigh...

On a more pertinent note, i unfortunately had trouble grasping the rule of the LO, in the you're highest low matters more than you're lowest low. I donked off a buyin not knowing A-2-3-5-7 doesn't beat 2-3-4-5-6...

Any omaha tips or insights or anecdotes anybody would like to share would be much appreciated.

midas06

03-09-2006, 03:18 AM

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wow

omaha/8 is a very profitable game though, with less variance than HE

mb2447

03-09-2006, 06:53 AM

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never reraise on the river in a multiway pot with the nut low and no high...you're bound to get less than 1/2 pot.

I also disagree with the statement that you can't bet draws as aggressively as in NHLE. O8 is a game of betting your strong draws...even if you have a weak made hand having a few draws can bump your equity up quite a lot. Just don't bank on non-nut flushes winning very often.

AWOL.

Pelion

03-09-2006, 12:53 PM

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I agree. Its definatly a game of pot equity. You can bet your strong draws aggressivly but it is for value since everyone calls.

Also be careful of raising when you only have the nuts in 1 direction.

It is much better to get a few callers for a small bet holding the A high flush and no low than getting raised and reraised for a huge pot HU and then finding out you are only getting half.

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

SonOfAkira

03-09-2006, 06:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mb2447

First paragraph, check. I think this was something I intuitively grasped. With marginal hands, or rather, nut lows and no highs, i've found it a profitable play to sneak it, so to speak, while a number of players are fighting over the high and have the half pots be very profitable due to all the money put in by them. Twice I was even quartered and they were STILL profitable hands from all the dead chips.

Second paragraph, check as well. In fact, I was thinking about this, and was waiting for someone to correct me so I could say I wholeheartedly agree, I had to restate my assumptions. It was a combination of just a string of not having the draws pan out, and not fully grasping what is actually a STRONG draw. OESD plus flush draws are dynamite in NLHE, especially because of the fold equity, but there are much stronger ones in omaha. I discovered the power of the freeroll. And concering non-nut flushes, I even proceed with caution with those in NLHE, so no problem there.

Thanks for the feedback.

SonOfAkira

03-09-2006, 06:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelion

It took me a second to grasp that there is little to no fold equity when betting draws. I also think this is a marvelous thing. Nuts in two directions is also a marvelous thing.

That sounds so wrong.

Pelion

03-09-2006, 09:15 PM

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Betting draws aggressivly for value is the same as SSH talks about. Say you hold AJ on a KJ2 rainbow flop (in holdem) then you can bet and raise for value in low limit holdem. Youre probably behind at the moment but your draw will come in enough times that you have a pot equity edge over the guys with AT, T2, etc. etc. etc.

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

SonOfAkira

03-11-2006, 05:03 AM

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Hero holds AK h A2 c on the button. Three players. Flop comes 10h Jh Jc. UTG leads out for half pot, donk calls, hero calls.
Turn comes Qh!!!
UTg leads out half pot, donk calls, hero calls. River comes Ks.
UTG leads out for half pot, donk minraises, hero calls.
HERO CALLS!?!?!

(UTG calls, shows straight, donk shows boat, hero wins)

But, hero calls!?!?!?

I had both covered by a mile, and both had about 2/3 behind them, and both, especially donk, would've went to the felt.

Hero calls!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?

This was a misclick, incidentally.

C'est la vie.

I am planning on posting some more normal hands and spots to get a better feel of the strategy. I'm realizing more and more what to hurry up and what to slowplay and what looks really good but goes right in the muck. However, I just thought I'd share some more craziness in my omaha adventure.
Oh yes, I also flopped quad aces and did not make one single dime outside of the preflop action. Madness.

SonOfAkira

03-11-2006, 07:20 AM

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Low variance, my ass. Though maybe i'm just looking at an anomaly. I need some feedback. I just had aces full lose to quads two hands in a row. Literally, two hands in a row. I think i'm going to be sick. Though, in hindsight, perhaps the second one I should've been wise to. In both scenarios 3 of a kind were on the board. In these cases, when villains are still hanging around the river, should we assume one of them has the fourth?
I'm literally sick to my stomach. I haven't had that feeling from poker in a long time.

SonOfAkira

03-11-2006, 10:12 AM

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Ok, so I started playing some higher stakes, found a couple maniacs, and just stacked them holding the nut flush and nut A-5 low. Which more than makes up monetarily for the two aces full fiasco. All is well with the world. Though I think I went temporarily insane for roughly ten minutes, muttering to myself, 'aces full twice, aces full twice...' Poker is a hell of a game.

Pelion

03-11-2006, 01:57 PM

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Id raise earlier with that straight flush. Even small full houses will want to pay you off in low stakes games so you might as well let them.

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

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