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Mony B
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08-07-2004, 07:09 PM
Post subject: Pot Limit Omaha hi/lo
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 192
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i was at my local home game and i came across this situation and i was wondering if i played wrong or there was somthing i could have done differently.
my hole cards are: T794 ( the reason i was in on this hand was cause it was heads up so i didnt really have a choice) the flop comes 9c8s6c so i not have a straight there was 20c in the pot and i had position on the other guy. He bets 20c and i bet 40c which was the pot. The turn was a Qs so this time since there was a dollar in the pot thats what i bet. Eventully my opponent called me. The river was a 6d there is now three dollars in the pot so thats what i bet and he calls me to turn over a full house over my straight. When i asked him why he called my dollar raise on the turn he said he was thinking implied odds, but if you do the math,
pot=3.00 on the river i bet 3.00 so thats 6.00 to gain for his 4.00 so that doesnt add up right in my head why he played all the way down. LOL this is the funny part when i asked him why he called down to the river, he response was " i thought you tripped your 9" which would have given me the higher full house. So why call if you think you are beat? I just need a little clearing on this. 
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heatman
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Do you have a hand history? To answer this you have to know what his other cards are.
Could it be that he had other hands that could also have beaten you and he figured those into his odds calculation? If he had two clubs or two spades (or both?), plus the full house draw, that might keep him in it with decent odds. Say he had 8c6sAcAs.
That would give him the following draws to the river with a board of 9c8s6cQs on the turn:
Nut Club flush (9 outs)
Nut Spade flush (9 outs)
Full house (4 outs)
Thats 22 outs to a very strong hand.
I think you hit on the problem with his reasoning, though. If he thought you could beat him with a paired board, then he can't claim implied odds for that hand. Could be that he figured the flushes would be good, and the full house might be good.
Thats the beauty of Omaha.
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"Limit poker is a science, but no-limit is an art..."
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heatman
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Oops, scratch the hand history. I see now that this was a home game.
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"Limit poker is a science, but no-limit is an art..."
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Mony B
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 192
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i dont remeber what his hand was he had two pair and caught the boat and the he had two rags but he also had the flush draw so i know this information has some holes in it but i was just wondering if there was somthing i could have done differently.
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heatman
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Mony B
i was just wondering if there was something i could have done differently.
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Always fear a paired board in Omaha, just like you do a three card flush board on Hold 'Em. Since the four starting cards let people stay post flop with decent hands and other draws, they hit sets with their pocket pairs more often.
In hold'em with 33, and no 3 on the flop, you're probably done for. In Omaha, you might have JsQc3s3c. Now a flop of Ts9sTc has possibilities that might keep you in for a pot sized bet. A 3 falls on the turn or river, and you've made your fullhouse. The flush and straight draws keep you in it.
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Humphrind
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kansas City
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I've been playing holdem for so long, it's tough to chase. But when you see all those outs, it's tough not to chase. Omaha is a drawing game. You have to look what's out there, because if more than 3 people saw the flop, you mostly like have someone who caught the straight / flush / trips / etc. This guy could also have had an A2 for a low hand and added more outs for a 3,4,5 or a 7 to win half the pot.
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I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
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Mony B
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 192
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thanks for the replys ill keep that in mind!!! 
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: 6max limit tables
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I don't play Omaha too much. I play Holdem a heck lot more. Hi/lo games become really technical and hard to put someone on a hand, with hi/lo they add even more out to the drawing, even though it's half the pot that's bettor then none... I have found I can pretty much put someone on a Holdem hand 90% of the time and be right, in Omaha that’s totally a different story, I look at all the possibilities that could beat my hand and if they are too great I dump it, it's so likely in Omaha, especially Omaha hi that someone hit trips or bettor. You had the straight, but it sounds as if he had a lot of out to chase, and I always get nerves when the board pairs in Omaha, I have seen one to many boats and 4 of a kind from it. Hope that gibberish helped some.
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