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Old 08-24-2006, 06:21 AM     Post subject: pot limit omaha #1 (permalink)  

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Im primarily a NL Holdem player but at our weekly home game we were going to Pot limit Omaha. I've been reading around here for a bit and found some good information, such as draw to the nuts, be willing to give up premium starting hands post flop etc. BUT nowhere did I find what is a good hand after the flop. ie. top pair in holdem is a good start. So as a general guideline what is a good hand after the flop? Are overpairs even playable, weak two pairs? Any help is appreciated.
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Old 08-24-2006, 11:43 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 As with holdem, it depends on the table size and how many people see the flop.
Omaha is a game of the nuts, so it highly depends on the board as well
On a paired board you want to have either a boat or trips with draws to a good boat.
For example on a board of Q99 you want to have either QQ or 9 with AK.
On a board with a flush or flush draw you want to have a draw to the nut flush.
Sets are fine on a board with no str8, but set over set are much more common in omaha then in holdem.
Top two pair may be good on a thin field and uncoordinated board.


 
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Old 08-24-2006, 11:50 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Two more things you need to be aware of in omaha.
1. You want the nut flush and nut str
on a rainbow board of 89T JQ is great, J7 is marginal and 76 is no good.
2. The other issue is the concept of freerolling, you may have the nuts after the flop with villian also holding the nuts but drawing to a better hand.
For example lets say the flop is
7c8cTd.
You hold 9sJsJcAd - you have the nut str8 with little chance to improve (you need runner-runner to improve)
villian has 9cJdAcQs.
You both have the nut high, but any club or 9 will give him a winning hand


 
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Old 08-24-2006, 06:17 PM #4 (permalink)  

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Okay so basically I'm looking to hit a set or better or dump my hand, or possibly two pair if the board is very uncoordinated?
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Old 08-24-2006, 06:49 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Okay so basically I'm looking to hit a set or better or dump my hand, or possibly two pair if the board is very uncoordinated?
Yep, or a strong draw, hopefully one that goes more then one way
on a board of 3TJ rainbow having 89QK is significally better then having 34KQ


 
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Old 08-24-2006, 07:04 PM #6 (permalink)  

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What is a standard way to play these draws? In the example you gave in the earlier post it seems as if you have a maximum of 20 outs. Should you try to get it all in when you have a draw like this. Or should you slow down and hope to hit your draw.
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Old 08-24-2006, 07:10 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Few more pointers:
Boards you should be aware of that tend to confuse holdem players: three of a kind on board - any pair makes a boat, 4 of a kind is common.
Double paired board - This board significally reduces the chance of someone making a boat. Top Trips with top kicker may hold.
Having a low boat:
On a board of 588KQ having a pair of fives or even 58 is not that great, full over full is very common.
Q high flush on an unpaired board - this is a weak holding, it is somewhat equilvelent to midpair in omaha.
High pocket pairs - especially KK, QQ in hand are not that great, in omaha you usually need the baord to improve you to win, you may win with top 2 pair if you have AA in hand and the board pairs, especially if it pairs on low cards.
You want all four of your hole cards to be somewhat coordinated, KK26 of 4 different suits is a crap starting hand


 
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