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elipsesjeff

03-28-2005, 09:26 PM Post subject: Pot Building

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, A

. CO posts a blind of $7.
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 caps, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (28.40 SB) 8

, 4

, A

(7 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, CO calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 3-bets, CO folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (20.70 BB) J

(4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (26.70 BB) Q

(3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 28.70 BB

There was something fishy with MP3's cap preflop that I just didnt like. How would you have played this hand?

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Tripps7

03-28-2005, 10:36 PM

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I haven't seen many Limp/reraises preflop. What was your read on him?

Was the game really tight? I see it when peeps try and getting tricky with AA or KK. Maybe he had a good hand for multiplaying/Implied odds such as 10J suited that he started raising with so many peeps in the pot?

On a side note: 7 Players at 5-10 table???!??!? Is that common? If so I am moving up...

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03-28-2005, 11:36 PM

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Preflop: although youre out of position, 3-bet is a good play with this hand and you will have many callers.

Flop: Great C/R, protects your hand very well and I would just call his 3bet.

Turn: I like the lead to trap UTG and MP2 in between. (hopefully) they will call your bet, MP3 raises, and you plus the two in the middle call. Unfortunately, it didnt exactly work like that but you did get UTG to call.

River: I'm confused about you betting out here. what hand are you putting him on where you bet out? AK? AJ? KhQh? I can't decide if I would check call here, or play it like you did.

Overall, very well played, and I think your turn bet is a good example of building a pot.

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03-28-2005, 11:50 PM

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I think I 3-bet the turn or check/raise. I'm much more interested in protecting what might be the best hand in this way out of control pot.

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03-29-2005, 12:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

I think I 3-bet the turn or check/raise. I'm much more interested in protecting what might be the best hand in this way out of control pot.

What hands are you protecting against? If youre drawing dead, youll lose the most by both 3 betting or c/r. You're only protecting your hand against 1 opponent, UTG, and hes still getting close to 11-1 on a 3 bet call. If he does call your 3-bet, that might be the worst news, both he and MP3 have hands.

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03-29-2005, 12:21 AM

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Hello, this is my first post, but here is my oppinion

I would play the preflop that way also, but i would for sure 3-bet the turn.
The probability to have the best hand, plus the flush draw is just too juicy for me to hold my horses

Since im new, and i play on lower tables im used to ppl that will stay with a lot of crap, so ...
On the river i would never bet, and i would call a 2-bet only becouse the pot was high.
The possible straight, plus QQ JJ AA 44 88 would make me feel really bad for rasing if i had to call another raise and lost the hand.

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03-29-2005, 12:36 AM

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Ignoring the weird way in which the preflop cap occured, it did in fact happen. I don't think AK is out of the question here. I can't say for sure what someone with KK or QQ would do here but to 3 bet a flop can't be +EV for either of those hands with all those people in the pot. any of the board PP beat you, plus AK, AJ (at the turn). I think you have to believe youre behind after the flop. when he raises the turn, im even more convinced. C/R sets up a 3 bet from him, you 3beting lets him cap his better hand. I cant see you playing this any other way than leading the turn to get the max out of UTG and MP2.

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03-29-2005, 03:43 AM

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Table was normal, this hand was an exception in that 7 players see a flop. I had zero reads, playerview wasnt running (as normal) and I was quad tabling. Normally you get at most 4 with one or two serial cold callers. His preflop raise seemed more like pot building than it did raising because his hand was good. He didnt limp, he COLD called his hand then capped it after everyone else was in the hand.

Preflop: I see no other reason than to not 3 bet this hand. Any Axs should be three bet here in a guaranteed 7 way flop.

Flop: The check raise was the best thing I could do. Top pair good kicker on a board full of broadways needs help to improve. His three bet didn't effect me; remember, he capped the flop here after cold calling, either he flopped a set or has jack shit. If he flopped a set, he's going to be raising the turn moreso than on the flop. I don't three bet here because, like you all said, there was a good chance he has AK or two pair. A set was very unlikely in my opinion.

Turn: Top pair good kicker with a flush draw in such a huge pot? You bet your ass I'm building it. I dislike a three bet here solely because I want UTG to stay in the pot as well. Also, there is only 1 card to come and getting too aggressive at this situation will only lead you down dark roads. Remember, the thinking is here I am BEHIND in this hand, and if I don't hit my flush I dont want to spend too much money seeing this showdown. You decide right here that you are not folding this on the river. Even to a 2 bet, the pot is way too big. I would never raise on a flush draw on the turn, i think its a leak if you do.

River: Why not bet out here? You have Top two pair, the only hand that does beat you is the set or an unlikely runner runner straight. You now beat any Ax, AK, and other two pair. I didn't put this guy on a set before nor will I do it now. If I check theres a possibility that it gets checked through and I miss out on possibly two bets already. The fact that he didn't raise me (of which I was expecting) only gave me confidence that I had the best hand. UTG folding here is a horrible play as well. Any pair here has odds to call, my thinking was he was also on a flush draw and I could have gotten paid off if he hit a spade too.

You guys give him too much credit. Its obvious he was building the pot preflop, players that Cold call-cap are no more intelligent than the retarded players that are trying to be big shots. Once I flopped my Ace, theres no way I'm folding my hand. He had ATo.

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03-29-2005, 11:19 AM

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Jeff, I agree. Well played. As of the turn, pretty much the only hand you beat is AT but as we have said already, you must bet out. And I think you will be forced to pay off AK, AJ here if you 3bet or c/r. I'm convinced of the lead out on the river. Great hand analysis.

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