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ponyboy

12-02-2009, 01:30 AM Post subject: Posting a couple of hands for feedback

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Join Date: Jan 2005

Posts: 379

Because I'm getting nuked lately at .25/.50 I need some feedback. As usual, hand converter doesn't work with Poker Office so you'll have to take a look and interpret what you can.

Starting a new hand (#1984532927)
Texas Hold'em Limit $0.25/$0.50 - 2009-11-30 15:38:09 Server
Table Osgood
Seat 1: Jvatoly ( $48.15 )
Seat 2: Vladibend ( $12.49 )
Seat 3: kpblca007 ( $25 )
Seat 4: AzaBon ( $15.69 )
Seat 5: jono78 ( $10.29 )
Seat 6: dryakos ( $15.63 )
Seat 7: Mellant ( $27.76 )
Seat 8: Hero ( $7.15 )
Seat 9: LeoKate ( $8.62 )
Seat 10: velrush ( $11.40 )
Vladibend posts Small Blind 0.10
kpblca007 posts Big Blind 0.25
Dealing cards
Your cards Ah Kh [Hero]
AzaBon folds
jono78 folds
dryakos folds
Mellant folds
Hero raises 0.50
LeoKate folds
velrush folds
Jvatoly raises 0.75
Vladibend folds
kpblca007 folds
Hero raises 1
Jvatoly calls 0.25
Dealing Flop Kc 6d 6s
Hero bets 0.25
Jvatoly calls 0.25
Dealing Turn Kc 6d 6s Tc
Hero bets 0.50
Jvatoly raises 1
Hero calls 0.50
Dealing River Kc 6d 6s Tc 2d
Hero bets 0.50
Jvatoly raises 1
Hero calls 0.50
Jvatoly shows Td Th
Winner is Jvatoly $6.51

Question: Should I have just reraised the turn and then folded if he capped?

Starting a new hand (#1987549786)
Texas Hold'em Limit $0.25/$0.50 - 2009-12-02 01:57:28 Server
Table Stutterheim (Beginner)
Seat 1: Hero ( $3.65 )
Seat 4: Evgeet ( $15.77 )
Seat 5: sssteffenb ( $10.91 )
Seat 6: LIJIAXIN45 ( $7.02 )
Seat 7: zzr69 ( $11.31 )
Seat 8: TrushAA ( $26.91 )
Seat 9: Xramses69X ( $15.37 )
Seat 10: m8non ( $7.48 )
Evgeet posts Small Blind 0.10
sssteffenb posts Big Blind 0.25
Dealing cards
Your cards Ts Js [Hero]
LIJIAXIN45 folds
zzr69 folds
TrushAA folds
Xramses69X calls 0.25
m8non folds
Hero calls 0.25
Evgeet folds
sssteffenb checks
Dealing Flop 2c 6s 4s
sssteffenb checks
Xramses69X checks
Hero checks
Dealing Turn 2c 6s 4s Jc
sssteffenb bets 0.50
Xramses69X folds
Hero calls 0.50
Dealing River 2c 6s 4s Jc 8d
sssteffenb bets 0.50
Hero calls 0.50
sssteffenb shows 2s 4c
Winner is sssteffenb $2.70

I get myself into trouble all the time with these connectors, but again, should I have raised here? This table was extremely loose and passive which was the only reason I limped with this hand. Of course you can't expect 4/2 but he was big blind.

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LawDude

12-02-2009, 06:21 PM

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Join Date: Feb 2009

Posts: 940

OK, first, don't post the results yet (or hide them) and give us any reads you have.

Second, you don't tell us much about these games and how they play. I am especially interested in that with respect to the second hand.

The first hand looks standard. You could re-raise the turn because the paired board is the only thing you are really afraid of (no straights or flushes), but in small stakes games, a player who waits for the turn to pop a pre-flop raiser usually has a hand strong enough to beat an overpair, so a calldown is fine.

The second hand, I don't like at all. If you have several limpers in front of you, JTs on the button is a fine limping hand, because you can either play it as suited connectors or play it aggressively with your position if everyone else is weak and you connect.

But you have one limper in front of you, and the small blind won't even complete the bet to see the flop. So you end up 3-handed. When you are 3-handed, your implied odds are crap. If you hit a flush or a straight, you are not likely to get paid off.

With just one limper in front of you and only the 2 blinds to act behind you, JTs (and indeed any strong suited connector) is a raise-or-fold hand, with raising being the preferred action. You can get this hand heads up with tremendous potential to improve plus fold equity.

As played, you could raise the turn. Most of the time the lead-out on the turn is because everyone was weak on the flop, not because the BB flopped 2 pair.

As played, call the river.

Chopper

12-03-2009, 04:06 PM

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Location: St. Louis, MO

Posts: 4,255

1.. dont lead river. c/c. you are overplaying TPTK here. it just isnt as strong to a turn raise on a paired board. if villain is spewing AT here, let him.

2.. isolate the limper! it isnt all bad if you let the blinds in by overlimping, but you maintain a lot more initiative by raising and betting the flop. you will not flop 2pr, straight draws, flush draws as often as you flop a pair. and, you have decent TP potential with a decent kicker. you will do better in this spot if you try to isolate the limper. if the rest come along despite your raise, so be it.....then, you play for a big pot and dont overplay a J76r flop.

as played, BET THE FLOP!! you have tow overs and a flush draw. you will hit your flush 36%ish by the river AND you will pair up another 24% of the time. BET!

as played, RAISE THE TURN!! you just hit TP in an orphan pot and have the flush draw to back you up if called/raised. i raise and call a 3bet here. we likely have the best hand.

calling the river is fine here. he didnt lead his 2pr on the flop. he is an idiot. he may have whiffed a c/r, but in a limped pot, he played this pretty bad, too.

you seem to be making some mistakes by overvaluing your one pair hands, but undervaluing your bigger draws. you are kind of playing in reverse by the looks of these two hands.

with your bigger draws (overs + fd, TP + oesd, overs + gutter), you need to get money into a pot and build it. if they fold, they fold. calling gives you nothing because when you hit, your villain likely doesnt have any reason to pay off in a small pot. if you are raising and leading these draws, you build a big enough pot, villains have to pay you off because of the great odds they get to call "one more bet" in a 10 bb pot.

with your one pair hands, you should be looking to get value until villains tell you to stop. however, once they tell you (flop 3bets, turn raises), LISTEN to them. you still have showdown value in a medium sized pot in hand one. i dont fold. i dont RR "for confirmation." i just call down and hope i spike my 2pr/trips before i put any heat back on villain. let him lead. if he has you beat, you keep the pot smallish and get to take a note. if you beat him, you learn about when he will overplay his hand. win/win.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

LawDude

12-03-2009, 05:55 PM

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Full House

Join Date: Feb 2009

Posts: 940

Chopper's right. I didn't notice a couple of things because of the lack of a hand converter, but yeah, leading the river is very spewy in hand one. I thought you called it down.

When you face this sort of aggression, they usually have you beat. If you have a decent read you can even fold one of these every once in awhile. So don't lead the river.

And on the second hand, I didn't realize you flopped a flush draw. You can raise for the free card, and you will likely get it in this situation. (Of course, once your ship comes in on the turn, you can keep betting too.)

ponyboy

12-03-2009, 11:59 PM

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Flush

Join Date: Jan 2005

Posts: 379

Awesome feedback, thanks guys. Your points are well taken.

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