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elipsesjeff

01-02-2006, 10:31 PM Post subject: Position Play 101

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I have an idea. Considering that not very many people understand optimal table selection and position, I think its a good time to create a sticky where we can post images of tables and get feedback of good table selection or not.

Say you have three table images:

If you could have any seat at each of these tables, which seat would you choose and why? Would any of you not choose any of these tables? Please feel free to post your own images for help.

Also, remove any incriminating things from your posts, like Table #, HH #, names of players on tables, etc.

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Demiparadigm

01-02-2006, 10:53 PM

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Best seats:
1) platana
2) BeStiny
3) homebuilder

I am looking for a seat where I have immediate position on a loose passive player (or at least high VP$IP)
And a big blind who will often fold to a raise.

It is also improtant to NOT have a loose player to my immediate left or a good agressive player to my immediate right.

The loose player will often cold call raises, making isolation plays impossible, then will have position on me for the rest of the hand. Position is huge shorthanded, as it often means missing/losing extra bets for the OOP player.

The agressive player will often steal my button, forcing me to play less hands, and pick up less blinds where shorthanded play is really just a constant battle for the blinds.

To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.

StinkyBeaver

01-02-2006, 10:53 PM

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at least poke edge has me as a shark guys...

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01-02-2006, 10:59 PM

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I would take lmc17s seat at table 1 because I have played vs and won a lot against Redemption and won a LOT against him when I have position on him

Also having a rock on the left helps a bit.

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01-02-2006, 11:11 PM

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Fnord Had a Great post about this in the other limit topic I dug it up here is the link:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...c.php?p=173833

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01-03-2006, 09:12 AM

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EEEK! ????

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elipsesjeff

01-03-2006, 02:44 PM

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Button is the place to be. although I wouldnt mind sitting next to BB either and card camp.

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01-11-2006, 02:40 AM

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Question 1:

Is it worth it to sit at a 6 max table where there is only one maniac, and you have position on him. Say the other 4 players are average players, 30/15/1.5 or so and fold SB/BB to steal 33% each, and the maniac directly on your right is a 70/45/4 through like 800 hands and has a nice 25 BB stack.

To make matters better, the other idiots at the table are berating him for his bad play and the guy just doesnt get it, it either encourages him to take their money or he just plays even worse. You, meanwhile, continue to say NH but otherwise keep quiet.

Is it worth it to stay at this table or find another one?

Question 2:

Redirect this to a full ring game with similar scenarios. How many fish would you need with position on to make it good enough for sitting down?

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midas06

01-11-2006, 02:47 AM

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Question 1: I had a similar scenario today at a 5 max table, where 3 were TAGG's and one calling station. Somehow he ended up a winner...

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01-11-2006, 05:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Question 1:

Is it worth it to sit at a 6 max table where there is only one maniac, and you have position on him. Say the other 4 players are average players, 30/15/1.5 or so and fold SB/BB to steal 33% each, and the maniac directly on your right is a 70/45/4 through like 800 hands and has a nice 25 BB stack.

To make matters better, the other idiots at the table are berating him for his bad play and the guy just doesnt get it, it either encourages him to take their money or he just plays even worse. You, meanwhile, continue to say NH but otherwise keep quiet.

Is it worth it to stay at this table or find another one?

Question 2:

Redirect this to a full ring game with similar scenarios. How many fish

would you need with position on to make it good enough for sitting down?

Hi Jeff

On the 6h question, for me what makes this worthwhile is his PFR stat. u have him at 70/45, and this should make you much more money than if he was 70/10 or so.

In my experience when you have a limpy loose player to your right and raise to isolate, you get cold-callers - especially in 6max, as you know (which you don't want because it thwarts your positional advantage and defeats the isolation).

But becuase 70/45 will open raise lots EP (and everywhere!!), u get to 3 bet and and have a much better chance of isolating. Of course u know that, but I think it's often overlooked by others that loose aggression on the immediate right is better than loose passive because too many people get invited to the party when group cold-call kicks in.

Some players argue that when otherwise good players get off their game by chasing fish it's a good thing, but so far for me I find it can be a mess of impossible reads and agro bluffs and semibluffs that make hard for me to find my way, especially OOP.

Hopefully I'll improve on this with experience.

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01-11-2006, 01:54 PM

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personally for me, i would change tables, because i don't like the potential nasty swings from this session (up and down).

like artic mentioned, your 3bet will increase your isolating chances by a large margin, bring it heads up with the maniac. but with a postflop aggression of 4, your maniac will go to war with you postflop. if you go into calldown mode, others will catch on (but i doubt they'll do anything about it).

as for question #2, one maniac on my right is good enough. no one behind me will call a 3bet unless i'm badly behind. although if there are no maniacs i'd prefer 2 or 3 regular fish on my right, and tight players to my left.

elipsesjeff

01-11-2006, 05:26 PM

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What if maniac was 70/20/2 instead of the numbers I gave? It narrows down to, how many fish does one table need to make it a good 6 max table? Full Ring?

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01-12-2006, 01:54 AM

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I'll do most 6max games with 2 fish who plays 50% or more hands. I'll skip em if I fail to get position on either fish. I'll also take a look at the rest of the table and how taggy these seem to be.

Fullring I really can't remember But I'd say 3 at least and a unimaginative lineup besides the fish/maniac would be super.

tbone

06-20-2006, 03:10 PM Post subject: Maybe Dumb Question

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Ok I understand seat selection. But how do you get the seat you want online. I constantly wait for tables that have a loose passive play. But is there a way to request a seat or even move seats once you are seated at a table. I play Party and have scoured their pages to see if you can do this but I cant find a thing. Any help?

midas06

06-20-2006, 05:05 PM

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No you can't. If you want to change seats when you're seated you need to wait til the end of the hand you're dealt into then quickly exit and rejoin the table.

Pythonic

04-09-2007, 05:02 PM Post subject: Quick Question

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How are you getting these player stats to pop up on the table you are playing. Is this some sort of software you are running?

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04-09-2007, 05:07 PM

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04-09-2007, 05:49 PM

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how much extra is the PAHUD/Gametime?

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