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silverfist
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12-31-2005, 11:21 AM
Post subject: Poker Quiz
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Flush
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Here's a nice little quiz I thought up.
CO raises and everyone folds to you on the big blind with 8 9 . You call.
The flop comes 2 6 7 .
You bet. He raises. You call.
The turn is the J .
You check. He checks.
The river is the 2 .
You check again. He bets.
Admittedly, this wasn't the best played hand. I would check-raise the flop and bet the river. However, given the situation, what do you do?
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dsaxton
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After playing the hand this way, I'd check-fold the river. A check-raise makes no sense after bet-calling, then checking both the turn and river. I assume you could check-raise, but an aware opponent might even call this with A-K high.
I'd check-raise the flop and lead both the turn and river, assuming my opponent only called my flop raise. If he reraised, I'd call and check-call the turn if I didn't make my straight, and check-raise if I did. I'd do the same on the river if I missed on the turn.
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Demiparadigm
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leading out on the river is much better than check raising.
It looks like you missed a check raise on the turn and are betting for value.
A check raise on the river makes no sense, and a good player will look you up a lot of the time.
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Pelion
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he could easily be on the either the straight or flush draw after a blind steal. I vote raise but fold to a reraise. On the other hand i dont play limit.
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Pelion
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he could easily be on the either the straight or flush draw after a blind steal. I vote raise but fold to a reraise. On the other hand i dont play limit.
edit: actually with the river pairing the board you arent really representing anything by check raising. Probably fold lol.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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ihategnomes
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Full House
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I fold preflop, then fold the river.
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fade177
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Straight
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My vote is for raise, I think he's taking the pot thinking you missed ur draw, but he missed his too. Push it a big bet and take it down....
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I would raise, but that's because last time I accidentally clicked raise instead of fold and the other guy folded... so I'm being results oriented. But my original vote WAS raise. Of course I can't do this against a fish. I have to see that my opponent is tight and might see that a raise here might mean trip deuces.
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Demiparadigm
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Originally Posted by ihategnomes
I fold preflop, then fold the river.
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No way I fold preflop.
I would then checkraise any flop that hit me in any way (including this one)
And to reiterate, you will only win with a checkraise against bad players.
A good player with trip deusces would lead this river to avoid the chance it gets checked through.
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elipsesjeff
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
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Originally Posted by ihategnomes
I fold preflop, then fold the river.
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No way I fold preflop.
I would then checkraise any flop that hit me in any way (including this one)
And to reiterate, you will only win with a checkraise against bad players.
A good player with trip deusces would lead this river to avoid the chance it gets checked through.
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I can see arguments for both folding and calling. For folding, this guy is an unknown and unlikely to be stealing and you are at best a 60/40 underdog if not worse. The pot is small, you have no reason to get involved in a statistically weak-tight full ring game. Shorthanded is a different story...
Calling preflop would probably be break-even at best, maybe slightly profitable if you know how to play post flop. I dont think silverfist IMHO can play this that well OOP facing an unknown preflop raiser. However, had I called, I would have check/raised this flop and gone from there. After he raised for his free card he's got a couple overcards, maybe even a small pocket pair, and depending on his read I say he more likely calls than folds at this level. You have to be good here 25% of the time, and without a read I would just give it up and wait for another opportunity.
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ihategnomes
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And to reiterate, you will only win with a checkraise against bad players.
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Bad players generally call to much. When does check-raising become a good strategy when you are bluffing?
I could make this call preflop, I just need a read of a steal, without one I am folding in this itty bitty pot. Jeff hit most of my reason on why I would fold.
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Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
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