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whileone
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04-21-2005, 12:26 AM
Post subject: Pocket Pairs, low stakes
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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So i've been playing party .50/1.00 and just cleared the interpoker bonus @ 1/2. so i've got about 3k hands.
I'm having a tough time with pocket pairs. In NL it's pretty simple. see the flop, if you hit, bet hard. if the PP is bigger than anything on the board, bet hard.
Limit is tougher though. Say you have 66 in mp+3, call? raise? how bout on the button? i'd cold call a pocket pair every day and twice on sunday in NL, but i can't tell how big it needs to be to call or raise or ( ) fold in limit.
I've been calling 2 small bets from pretty much anywhere with any pocket pair. big ones like jacks or better i raise.
It seems a little easier to put someone on a hand in limit, but it may be i'm concentrating better on my post flop play.
if my PP works out to be an overpair, obviously i bet, but how hard do you hang on to 66 on a 2 4 7 board? how about if it's raised? sure seems like my pair of sixes would be better than an A T but i've run into overpairs, that is serious suckage.
these questions are sort of rhetorical, feel free to answer specifics, but i'm looking more for the attitude about pocket pairs, and how you tend to play them.
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DeanCarl
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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AA, KK, and QQ: Raise preflop and (if no improvment) call to the river.
JJ to 66: Treat as drawing hands. Get into the flop cheap and get out if no improvment.
Note: This is for small and micro limit games. On these SOMEBODY is gonna stay in no matter what they have.
Just my thoughts.
Dean
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StinkyBeaver
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Originally Posted by DeanCarl
AA, KK, and QQ: Raise preflop and (if no improvment) call to the river.
JJ to 66: Treat as drawing hands. Get into the flop cheap and get out if no improvment.
Note: This is for small and micro limit games. On these SOMEBODY is gonna stay in no matter what they have.
Just my thoughts.
Dean
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Can't say that I agree with Deancarl.
I'm playing the 0,25/0,50 at paradise and I play these quite a bit different. As to AA KK and QQ I raise and cap Preflop. On flop unimproved most of the time I'll raise it again even though an A might hit to my KK or QQ. But this depends... If you are EP its difficult you can raise it but chances are someone with Arag will just call you all the way. LP its more easy no aggression I'll raise my KK and QQ. Yes I know I'll get sucked out to wierd two pairs and the like but still thats how I play it.
If it is an overpair I'll 3bet and maybe cap on flop slowing down on later streets if I get many callers and aggression continues. Lots of players are very aggressive when holding TPTK.
For JJ to 99 I'll raise most of the time depending on my position and how much preflop action there is. Best here is to get four or more callers so you have the right pot odds to draw your set. If it improves i'll bet as hell if not I'll fold to any two overcards and a bet. One overcard is different though. and there is noway I fold any overpair without a ton of bets raises.
88 - 22. These are aiming solely to flop sets. Very rarely i'll play em any different. Again remember to get four or more callers on the flop and try not to play em for more than one SB.
As for any pocket pair they will flop OESD every once in a while this plays itself as long as you have the correct potodds.
These are my own thougts and it is very important to notice that I'm am new to FLHE as yourself, so plz don't take any of this for more than my n00b opinion.
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Tripps7
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Here's my usual preflop with PP:
Raise/reraise AA-1010
Raise 77-99 if in late position and first in.
Cap AA-QQ
Limp 99--77 (66 if table is loose) From Early/Mid
Limp 66-22 mid to late.
Call 1 Raise from Blinds with any pair.
Flop:
Usually anything pair 8 and under = No set, no bet.
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Rondavu
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There are so many people out there who are pocket pair bettors. They'll hang onto 6's till the river with three overs showing. Don't be that guy.
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whileone
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
There are so many people out there who are pocket pair bettors. They'll hang onto 6's till the river with three overs showing. Don't be that guy.
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That's what i'm talking about. Thanks man.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
There are so many people out there who are pocket pair bettors. They'll hang onto 6's till the river with three overs showing. Don't be that guy.
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ya this is driving me insane lately, people are raising preflop with 44 with several limpers already, then leading the whole way.
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Tripps7
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Originally Posted by Element187
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
There are so many people out there who are pocket pair bettors. They'll hang onto 6's till the river with three overs showing. Don't be that guy.
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ya this is driving me insane lately, people are raising preflop with 44 with several limpers already, then leading the whole way. |
I love those people...
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by DeanCarl
JJ to 66: Treat as drawing hands. Get into the flop cheap and get out if no improvment.
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Wow, that's weak/tight...
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Element187
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Originally Posted by Tripps7
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Originally Posted by Element187
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
There are so many people out there who are pocket pair bettors. They'll hang onto 6's till the river with three overs showing. Don't be that guy.
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ya this is driving me insane lately, people are raising preflop with 44 with several limpers already, then leading the whole way. |
I love those people... |
when the profits from these people start rolling in, i'll agree, ATM im getting run over.
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face
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by DeanCarl
JJ to 66: Treat as drawing hands. Get into the flop cheap and get out if no improvment.
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Wow, that's weak/tight... |
How does a good, TAgg play lower pocket pairs?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by face
How does a good, TAgg play lower pocket pairs?
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JJ/TT is an easy raise, sometimes a 3-bet or fold.
I'm raising 88/99 in position against lots of limpers to build a pot and to get a cheap crack at a 4 card flop.
22-55 should be played from any position if the game is loose and/or passive enough pre-flop. Perfect hands for a post-flop game that calls way too much or is too aggressive.
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face
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by face
How does a good, TAgg play lower pocket pairs?
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JJ/TT is an easy raise, sometimes a 3-bet or fold.
I'm raising 88/99 in position against lots of limpers to build a pot and to get a cheap crack at a 4 card flop.
22-55 should be played from any position if the game is loose and/or passive enough pre-flop. Perfect hands for a post-flop game that calls way too much or is too aggressive. |
In a hand that just occurred, I had 33 on the button. Early tight/solid limper and CO raises. Do I coldcall with pocket 3s? I folded. Too weak?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by face
In a hand that just occurred, I had 33 on the button. Early tight/solid limper and CO raises. Do I coldcall with pocket 3s? I folded. Too weak?
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Fold, implied pot odds aren't there 3 way.
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lonnie
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I'm raising 88/99 in position against lots of limpers to build a pot and to get a cheap crack at a 4 card flop.
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At a passive table, why not make it a 5 card flop and put a bet in on the flop? 3 SB to see all 7 cards.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by lonnie
At a passive table, why not make it a 5 card flop and put a bet in on the flop? 3 SB to see all 7 cards.
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Because quite often I'll get check/raised even at a passive table. Quite often either I must fold to a check/raise or it's really close. Bet/Fold costs me more than 1SB, because I had equity checking behind. Also, I'm giving up less (if any) value with a pre-flop raise than I would by betting out on a flop where I'm probably way behind. Furthermore, consider all of the times you make that flop bet, but someone leads the turn anyway. Finally, I bet lots of flops so checking in spots like this make me less predictable and hence harder to check/raise.
This play is all about making someone in EP/Blinds with a top pair like hand who knows I'm aggro give me a free card to suck out on them.
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