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krimson
Old 12-01-2005, 05:35 PM     Post subject: PLOH: pat on the back please #1 (permalink)  
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I feel that I played this all right, but I'm still learning Omaha and someone else telling me that I played it fine would comfort me. Someone else telling me that I didn't play it well could at least help me improve.
Big blind is 0.5, me and villain have 80 stacks, everybody else is below 20.


Dealer: sambuca
Small Blind: fcjylland (0,25)
Big Blind: krimson (0,50)

krimson was dealt: 3 - A - A - 5

_Frank_ Fold
JamppaTuom Call (0,50)
gb1968 Call (0,50)
Brigite Call (0,50)
sambuca Fold
fcjylland Call (0,25)
krimson Check

Flop Q - 6 - A

fcjylland Check
krimson Bet (2,50)
JamppaTuom Call (2,50)
gb1968 Fold
Brigite Call (2,50)
fcjylland Fold

Turn Q - 6 - A - 5

krimson Bet (10,00)
JamppaTuom Call (10,00)
Brigite Fold

River Q - 6 - A - 5 - 8

krimson Bet (30,00)
JamppaTuom Raise (65,00)
krimson All-In (38,60)
JamppaTuom Call (3,60)

I get a non-premium AAxx hand in the BB, so just check it. I hit my A on the flop, bet pot, turn blanks and I bet pot again. The river completes a possible runner-runner straight-draw (actually the only cards that don't complete a possible draw here are the ones that fill me up), but I felt I'd get called more often by a worse hand then raised by a better hand.
Well played? Should I have raised preflop? Check-raised the flop? Check-called the river?
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Old 12-09-2005, 12:13 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I'd raise the pot preflop.

Reason for this:

If your ace hits your pot-size flop bet will be alot bigger in proportion to people's stacks than your bet actually was, thus giving any draws inferior implied odds should they hit.

I'd then pot the flop

Pot the turn

Check/call the river - As the river bet will be a small proportion of the pot by then.
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Old 12-09-2005, 12:46 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I'd raise the pot preflop.

Reason for this:

If your ace hits your pot-size flop bet will be alot bigger in proportion to people's stacks than your bet actually was, thus giving any draws inferior implied odds should they hit.
Hmm. The problem I have with this is that I'm out of position, and hitting an ace is practically the only way for me to make a hand. If I don't hit the flop I'll check-fold. Is raising into a 4 or 5 way pot with a 1/8 chance of actually making a hand really a good idea?
Also, the person I ended up playing against was the only one except for me who had a big stack. Already without a preflop raise my turn bet was enough to make anyone else at the table put more than half their stack in.
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Old 12-12-2005, 06:48 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 I think you need to raise preflop.
There are 4 limpers preflop, and as you said in multiway pot your chances of improving are pretty low.
However if you bet the pot preflop you will probably scare most of the limpers away, and get hopefully one caller.
Against 1 player your A may hold up.

Given the way you bet preflop I would have bet the pot on the flop and on the turn
On the river I would bet 1/2 the pot but probably call the raise. If he was chasing I would think he was chasing the flush - K high.


 
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Old 12-12-2005, 08:13 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I'm definitely not an Omaha expert, but raising preflop seems absolutely terrible here. He has a high pair, no flush possibilities, rags for side cards, and worst of all he's out of position in what will likely be a multiway pot after the flop. I think he should just check and hope for a good flop.

I also don't like raising from the big blind because this essentially announces your hand, and indicates to your opponents that if an ace doesn't flop then your hand can't handle much pressure.
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Old 12-12-2005, 10:53 AM #6 (permalink)  
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definitely do not raise preflop. great omaha players never raise UTG, and raising from the blinds is even worse
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:29 PM #7 (permalink)  
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However if you bet the pot preflop you will probably scare most of the limpers away, and get hopefully one caller.
Against 1 player your A may hold up.
I think my chances of getting it HU would have been slim to non-existent. Given the looseness of the table it would have been more reasonable for me to raise with the expectation of getting an AAA flop
More seriously, if I plan to play my AA trash hand for overpair value out of position (if I get it HU) I think I'm probably either going to win a small pot or lose my stack. If some of my best friends ("T883 rainbow on a missed flop? My 88 is good enough for calling AI!") had been at the table I might have considered it though...
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Old 12-12-2005, 04:45 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I agree, since hands are so close in value in Omaha we dont generally raise to exploit an +EV situation. We generally raise to narrow the field / buy the button.
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Old 12-21-2005, 04:48 AM #9 (permalink)  
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no way raise that pf.
Otherwise: Check the river. If he's hit he's hit. You have no flush, not even a straight. You probably don't have the best hand here anymore. I would most likely check-fold, without a read.
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