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Acerbic

03-27-2009, 08:12 PM Post subject: PLO8 - Blind vs Blind, Turn too agro?

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Villain is a loose passive player with PTO stats 67/6/.55. He "probably" views me as a semi-tight to tight agro player. He plays a lot of pots and willing to play for half a pot a good amount of the time, and doesn't seem to care about getting quartered for his entire stack.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($50.50)
UTG ($12)
UTG+1 ($49.60)
MP1 ($41.85)
MP2 ($30)
CO ($64.20)
Button ($34.50)
SB ($24.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4

, K

, Q

, A

6 folds, SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3) J

, 8

, 6

(2 players)
SB bets $2.85, Hero calls $2.85

Turn: ($8.70) 10

(2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $17.30, SB raises to $20.45 (All-In), Hero calls $3.15

River: ($49.60) 5

(2 players, 1 all-in)

His raise preflop suggested A2xx/A3xx, as with other garbage he tends to limp a lot. I decided to defend my blind with this hand given I had position and decent a hand HU.

Flop is OK for me. Nut flush and 3rd nut low, I like my draws but really haven't got much else going on. He fires a PSB cbet and I decided to peel a card off.

Turn is a pretty good card for me. I have 13 out wrap draw (although maybe 12 if I put him on A2 or A3), and another 7 clubs for the nut flush, but 6 of them makes a low. He makes a small bet about 1/3 of the pot. It feels extremely weak, and given my view of his play, is an A2 with no high trying to get a cheap river. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a straight or even a pair given his bet size. I think I have very little showdown value with my hand, as I don't think I can call a river bet if a low comes. So I just shove my draw feeling that he was too weak to call a reraise. He committed whatever he had left, think like $3 or something.

River hit, and when he tabled his hand, made me kinda sick.

Anybody playing this hand differently on any of the streets, but mainly the turn? Different bet sizes, raises?

I ran the equities, and given my read I was the favorite on the turn. Maybe I'm just be too results orientated...

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drmcboy

03-27-2009, 09:26 PM

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I am reading it right that
1) he calls for half the pot a lot
2) you put him A2/A3
3) you thought he would fold the turn?

bigspenda73

03-27-2009, 09:31 PM

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bigspenda73 will become famous soon enough

well he doesn't have half of the pot yet, he's merely on a draw for half

I don't play hi/lo but it seems like we could potentially have a ton of equity against certain hands but I'll wait for Salsa to chime in.

Final note, is 3betting PF bad? Idk how different the dynamics are in PLO8b.

Acerbic

03-28-2009, 08:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by drmcboy

I am reading it right that

3) you thought he would fold the turn?

Absolutely right...Can't make a station fold, especially for an enticing proposition as half of a pot.

Feels like calling is just as bad as raising...but a fold also seems wrong.

Acerbic

03-28-2009, 08:23 PM

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One Pair

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I was about a 70/30 favorite for a scoop, but unfortunately he hit a 5 outer.

At these levels, not much 3betting is done PF, and my specific hand doesn't really warrant a 3bet.

salsa4ever

03-29-2009, 10:58 AM

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I think I raise the turn too, I think you're ahead a lot of the time, you can never be crushed, and his $3 bet is so weak I expect him to fold a non trivial amount even with the read

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TLR

03-30-2009, 03:25 PM

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Preflop I think both calling and raising are justified.
I do raise the flop however, you have NFD+Low draw, raising the flop can win it right there, or can give you a free card on the turn. With your read on villian he will rarely reraise you

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