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Old 05-30-2008, 03:57 AM     Post subject: PLO8 25 Flopping the nuts and hating it #1 (permalink)  
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SB ($11.50)
BB ($44.10)
UTG ($21.65)
UTG+1 ($5.85)
MP1 ($30.15)
MP2 ($24.75)
MP3 ($10.20)
Hero ($33.80)
Button ($18.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6s, Ac, 2d, 8s.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.

An ugly A2 hand for sure. But seemed worthwhile to play in position for cheap.

Flop: ($1.75) 9d, 7c, 5d (7 players)
SB bets $1, BB folds, UTG calls $1, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $4.75, Button folds, SB calls $3.75, UTG folds.

Ok, nut high with no redraw, nut low draw with no good CP. There are a ton of cards we don't want to see on the turn. Does anyone like a flat call to control the pot size with a good but very vulnerable hand, then pot a safe turn?

Turn: ($12.25) 9h (2 players)
SB bets $6.5 (All-In), Hero ??

So one of the 20 cards I didn't want to see hits. Unless villan really like an A29x, I'm behind now with just a nut low draw. Easy fold?
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Old 05-30-2008, 05:49 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Try this
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with your hand vs A29x on the flop

You have nut high and nut low. If you get money in now you're giving up half the pot, but anything extra the others put in, 1/2 goes to you. You're hand is only somewhat vulnerable, but very strong. 1/2 pot all-in on turn, super easy call.
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:00 PM #3 (permalink)  
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You have nut high and nut low. If you get money in now you're giving up half the pot, but anything extra the others put in, 1/2 goes to you. You're hand is only somewhat vulnerable, but very strong. 1/2 pot all-in on turn, super easy call.
Here was my thinking (please feel free to critisize).

Villans call of my raise on the flop is either an attempt to slowplay or a vulnerable hand with some sort of low. (2 pair, set, maybe flush draw with A2 or A3, maybe A29x)

On the turn, sets and 2 pair crush my high and I only have the nut low draw, with no CFP. To hit my nut low, I have 14 outs, which means I need 2.3:1 to call. If villan doesn't have A2 as well, I'm getting a little less than 2:1 on my money.

Maybe combined with the chance that our high is still good, those odds are enough to call. But what's our plan if villan is full-stacked?
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 I totally misread this hand. I thought you had the nut low on the flop.

I guess you could fold the turn. You're not getting odds to draw to your low.

I like a min-raise, or 2.5x raise on the flop. Build the pot, so what if people stick around. Many like to dray to bad lows, unless you blow them out of the pot. Hopefully someone pushes over your bet.
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:31 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 I think I prefer to flat call the flop and see a turn, in this case it would make the turn call a bit easier because the pot will be smaller.

As played I think I call this, once villian called the flop bet he is pretty much pot committed, he may do it with A2 trying to buy the pot, with a flopped str8, with a 9 and FD etc...


 
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