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Borax
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12-18-2008, 08:04 PM
Post subject: PLO - Trips on turn getting raised, what to do?
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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with
   
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks.
Flop:    ($2, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 raises all-in $3.7, Hero calls, SB calls.
Turn:  ($13.1, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $13.1)
SB checks, Hero bets $13.1, SB raises to $30, Hero 
Note: SB has 18$ left in stack and Hero covers him.
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bigspenda73
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First things first, did you try running your HH through our Hand Converter? I beleive its been ungraded to support Omaha HH's.
Secondly, I def. raise this PF, position+suitedness+high-pair means I'm not worried about building a big pot now
As played, it's definitely a difficult spot, but it looks like a fold. I'm stacking off with at worst A8xx here.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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I also raise pre & would fold .
I don't like the flop bet, you have no idea what you want to hit, just try and spike a K for free. If someone is slow playing a set or a JT98 type it's a total disaster getting raised. if you had nothing or a meh draw like an OESD I could kinda see betting but on this board I think you pick up the pot very rarely.
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bigspenda73
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also I'm not convinced a pot-sized turn bet gets the most out of villain's range
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gingerwizard
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trips pretty much suck in omaha right?
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This is not my signature. I just write this at the bottom of every post.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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depends on the board and your kickers. AKQ8 on an 884 board is a hand you can felt vs a lot of people (you have 3 cards to draw to if you are behind) and will probably not fold HU. 8765 on a Q88 board not so much since you may already be dead. You can usually just bet/fold this hand.
Also on a 22x or 33x board you can sometimes get action from over pairs so as long as you have a liv-ish boat draw (say at least two overs) I would often continue but you have to beat in mind people will often plan big pairs with anything else so they have more 2s than you think. But I would still not be jamming without big kickers unless the pot was 3 bet pre.
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bigspenda73
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he's making a play I'd make a ton if I had a wrap, however, I rarely saw anyone else capable of it at 50PLO and lower
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Borax
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Thanks guys, this was really useful 
I'm new to PLO, so I play a bit careful preflop and still don't raise so much, since I need to understand the game better. I tend to raise only with AAxx hands in LP and really strong connected hands. Here I would need to flop a king to be happy. So I guess I need to loosen up a bit.
I bet the overpair on the flop here to see if I could take it down as long as there wan't any flush draw out. Usually I would not attack in these situations and it might have been wrong here too. I thought that if I was left HU against the weak small stack I would still have a couple of outs. I had no good read on the SB and tried to make him go away by betting strong on the turn. It had worked very well against the rest of the table for a while and I thought he might fold if he had an OESD or if he had picked up a flushdraw or slowplayed an AAxx hand.
When he raised I wasn't sure what to do, which is bad. I should have known allready what to do..
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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no flush draws yes but this flop hits pretty much every legit rundown enough to take a card off.
I was the same was starting out pre flop but if nothing else be more agg on the BU. Also you have two connectors and are suited, FD or OESD plus overpair is a nice hand on most boards that you can fire with. If you had KK72 calling is much better.
FWIW I almost never bet the full pot unless it's obvious I am committed. I'm not sure yet but it tends to feel like people play better against PSBs. Even if they snap off a bluff with a bad flush draw (say) since you 'only' bet 2/3 the pot you should be happy people are calling with weak FDs against you. Any legit hand is going to more or less have the right price whatever you bet.
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Borax
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I didn't use the FTR converter. I will try next time
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