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lamaros

11-28-2005, 05:40 AM Post subject: PLO: With only a read (and a prayer)

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Put them on two pair, but the turn had me sweating. All the flushes and straights come in... but I CR?

Think this would burn me more often than not?

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SB ($8.15)
BB ($9.80)
UTG ($15.25)
Hero ($21.80)
MP1 ($110.60)
MP2 ($20.10)
CO ($23.20)
Button ($12.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 2

, 4

, 3

.
1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 6

, K

, 4

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.2, MP2 folds, CO raises to $2.4, SB folds, BB folds, Hero raises to $8.4, CO calls $6.

Turn: ($18.05) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5.5, Hero raises to $13.15, CO folds.

Final Pot: $36.70

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ihategnomes

11-28-2005, 05:52 PM

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Fold preflop.

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dsaxton

11-28-2005, 09:48 PM

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I think you should fold preflop as well.

The turn check-raise is pretty absurd. Even if you think he's capable of betting here without a flush, check-calling still seems like the sensible play. If he doesn't have the flush, merely calling is not that bad of a play considering your hand is fairly marginal at this point, and if he does, raising is obviously terrible.

lamaros

11-29-2005, 01:56 AM

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Pfft @ pf fold.

ihategnomes

11-29-2005, 04:53 PM

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You have to have position if your going to play garbage.

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Fnord

11-29-2005, 08:09 PM

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Too bad this isn't HiLow split..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

lamaros

11-29-2005, 11:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ihategnomes

You have to have position if your going to play garbage.

25c to see a flop with a pretty average hand isn't too bad OOP. 2344ss is not 'garbage'. It can hit quite a few flops where I can be confident I'm ahead and play it safely. If it misses it'll miss in a big way and I let it go for 25c, no big leak. In the more marginal situations, like the one that eventuated, I rely on my ability to outplay the other people in the hand.

Despite what every has said in the past I'm still seeing 30-40% of flops at the $25 tables. And I'm reasonably happy with my play and winning quite comfortably. I generaly play a LAgg/LPgg pf game TAgg post-flop, it's what I'm most comfortable with and what seems to work best for me.

Anyway.

ihategnomes

11-29-2005, 11:44 PM

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Its hi only, its garbage, maybe even nuclear waste in EP. In EP you have no idea that .25cents is going to be right.

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Fnord

11-29-2005, 11:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lamaros

Despite what every has said in the past I'm still seeing 30-40% of flops at the $25 tables. And I'm reasonably happy with my play and winning quite comfortably. I generaly play a LAgg/LPgg pf game TAgg post-flop, it's what I'm most comfortable with and what seems to work best for me.

Well if you're a winning player then you're obviously playing an ideal strategy for that game and not leaking any money onto the table...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

lamaros

11-30-2005, 12:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamaros

Well if you're a winning player then you're obviously playing an ideal strategy for that game and not leaking any money onto the table...

Hey, let's not misrepresent!

1: I'm reasonably happy with my play.

Doesn't mean I'm perfect or I think I'm perfect, but I look at my play and try and work out what worked and didn't work and try to improve my game on a regular basis.

2: I'm winning.

Hey, it's better than losing. And results do indicate something, as long as you don't take them to mean everything.

You're a good enough player to know that there is no objective ideal. It's possible for different people to have different playing styles and both be sucessful.

I get involved in these discussions to improve my game like everyone else does, and I'm also entitled to an opinion. I don't think you have to be so snide.

Fnord

11-30-2005, 12:12 AM

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Play thalf as many hands (and perhaps more tables as well), then see what it does for your game. Also, do you think your current game will work so well in the 50 and 100 game? Higher?

Consider that by playing garbage out of position you're playing a high variance style in a high variance game. If any of these hands are +EV then it's either because of meta-game reasons (you get pegged as a live one) and/or because your opponents are truely terrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

lamaros

11-30-2005, 12:36 AM

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I do play tight pf from time to time. When I first moved up to the $25s I played half as many hands and found I wasn't getting paid as much. The players there might be pretty crappy, but they're not all stupid. When you're the guy who's always showing down the nuts then they learn to fold pretty quickly.

I try to put out an image of a loose plyer at the table and these hands help. When someone sees you show down 2344ss they jump to conclusions, no matter that you got all your money in when the board was A54.

As I said originaly, I throw this hand away if I miss the flop (which basicly means two cards above 5 if I miss the set). I throw it away above if there are more people in the hand on the turn or I don't trust my read so strongly. If it's a -EV play it's only a very minor one. Misplaying the flop and turn is a much bigger leak.

I make most of my money in PLO stacking people. Playing more hands, and more disguisable hands, helps me stack more people.

I should reiterate that this hand is a largely an exception. Mixing things up to get some attention/let people know they can't bluff at me/etc. I could post a lot more standard hands but there woudn't be as much to discuss.

(I generaly play 3-4 tables at a time)

KoRnholio

11-30-2005, 03:00 AM

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Any pair under 66 in Omaha high is pretty much useless. No value at all on their own, plus, the bottom set is not a hand that will win you much either. Any full house that you make will be the underful and probably end up costing you money in the long run.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

lamaros

11-30-2005, 03:04 AM

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I think I'm going to have to get pokertracker and find some PLO stats to back me up. I'm probably getting towards a decent sample size now.

But all my money is coming out in a week for my trip, so It'll have ot wait till next year.

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