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zenbitz
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06-14-2007, 05:01 PM
Post subject: PLO - I cannot stop paying off the river (LC)
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,911
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25-50PL.
I don't have any histories, but it doesn't matter. I cannot stop paying off the suck bets on the river. Typically, I flop a set, bet/raise get called.
Obvious draw completes on turn or river.
Similar situation if I have the NF and board pairs.
Usually the pot is not big (10 BB) and I face a 5-10BB bet. I need to be ahead 33-50% of the time and they ALWAYS HAVE IT.
God, why can't I fold!!!!!! Especially if the turn goes check/check.
Bad NLHE instincts! Bad!
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KoRnholio
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I know the feeling. Lately, the more I have moved away from nutcamping to worse I have been doing. There don't seem to be too many villains that bluff the river often enough to make those kind of calls.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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stuck
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 586
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I don't play much omaha, but I've dabbled the past two days; I've noticed the same thing and your post confirmed it. This is H/L, but I'm pretty sure this was a good fold (no reads, it was my first orbit) :
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP3 ($4.80)
Hero ($24.65)
Button ($16.55)
SB ($13.20)
BB ($28.20)
UTG ($42.15)
UTG+1 ($23.65)
MP1 ($16.45)
MP2 ($20.10)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q , K , K , 3 .
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($1.50) K , 3 , 9 (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $1.25, MP1 folds, MP3 folds.
Turn: ($4) 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3, UTG calls $3.
River: ($10) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $20
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If I had a hammer
I'd drop in the morning
I'd drop in the evening..
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salsa4ever
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 1,073
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Originally Posted by stuck
I don't play much omaha, but I've dabbled the past two days; I've noticed the same thing and your post confirmed it. This is H/L, but I'm pretty sure this was a good fold (no reads, it was my first orbit) :
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP3 ($4.80)
Hero ($24.65)
Button ($16.55)
SB ($13.20)
BB ($28.20)
UTG ($42.15)
UTG+1 ($23.65)
MP1 ($16.45)
MP2 ($20.10)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q  , K  , K  , 3  .
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($1.50) K  , 3  , 9 (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $1.25, MP1 folds, MP3 folds.
Turn: ($4) 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3, UTG calls $3.
River: ($10) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero folds.
that's a fold every day and twice on sunday
Final Pot: $20
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Originally Posted by bigred
Would you bone your cousins? Salsa would.
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Originally Posted by salsa4ever
well courtie, since we're both clear, would you accept an invitation for some unprotected sex?
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
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Last night was my breaking point with PLO, the game just has too much variance.
I was 3tabling and got in all-in on the flop with these equitys within 5 minutes of each other
55-45
52-48
45-55
Lost all 3, could have easily won all 3, but the fact is my play was fine and that's the biggest edge I could find. The game is just too swingy and I feel that the only exploitation I have consistently found is in opponents PF decision making.
I'm gonna drop down to 25PLO and rework my game but it will be tough as I am really concentrating on NL now.
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I was 3tabling and got in all-in on the flop with these equitys within 5 minutes of each other
55-45
52-48
45-55
Lost all 3, could have easily won all 3, but the fact is my play was fine and that's the biggest edge I could find. The game is just too swingy and I feel that the only exploitation I have consistently found is in opponents PF decision making.
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Often that is the way it goes. When all the money goes in on the flop you will very rarely be in great shape (say 2-1 or better), unless it's set over set. Using position to steal small and medium sized pots is quite important. When I am running good it's usually because I am making good reads and stealing more than my share of those orphan pots.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
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Yes but stealing orphan pots generally subdues the rake.
All I am saying is the games on PS/FTP were much more difficult than I was expecting. Couple that with moving up in stakes as I switched to those sites meant I was no longer killing the game, in fact I was a marginal loser.
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zenbitz
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4-of-a-Kind
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Over correction?
Full Tilt Poker Game #2685751772: Table Grand Central - $0.25/$0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 20:42:19 ET - 2007/06/16
Seat 1: zenbitz ($55.30)
Seat 2: Bancit ($15.50)
Seat 3: LowFish ($37.20)
Seat 4: jomama2323 ($50)
Seat 5: VincentPaz ($58.20)
Seat 6: jitterbugg ($118.65)
Seat 7: TackleFF ($34.50)
Seat 8: bigtimpin420 ($56.55)
Seat 9: Skip Pardue ($46.55)
VincentPaz posts the small blind of $0.25
jitterbugg posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zenbitz [Ts Qd Kc Js]
TackleFF folds
bigtimpin420 folds
Skip Pardue has 15 seconds left to act
Skip Pardue calls $0.50
zenbitz raises to $2.25
Bancit folds
LowFish folds
jomama2323 folds
VincentPaz folds
jitterbugg folds
Skip Pardue calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [Ah 4s Qs]
Skip Pardue checks
zenbitz bets $5.25
Skip Pardue calls $5.25
*** TURN *** [Ah 4s Qs] [Ac]
Skip Pardue checks
zenbitz checks
*** RIVER *** [Ah 4s Qs Ac] [3s]
Skip Pardue bets $7.85
zenbitz has 15 seconds left to act
zenbitz folds
This is about an hour after I burned $30 on a river call with KK on an AAK board.
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salsa4ever
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Melbourne
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this fold is good against an unknown
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Originally Posted by bigred
Would you bone your cousins? Salsa would.
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Originally Posted by salsa4ever
well courtie, since we're both clear, would you accept an invitation for some unprotected sex?
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