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overflow

07-07-2007, 08:58 PM Post subject: PLO Hands for review

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Guys, here are some of the bigger pot hands I played this afternoon. This is my first endeavor into actually playing ring game PLO, so any and all comments would be appreciated. I don't have PTO yet, but hope to get it soon. Most villians seem like loose fish, they play the game with Hold 'Em hand strengths in mind (seemingly). There are one or two decent players at the table.

Hand 1:
Do I bet less on the river here?

Absolute Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $4
UTG+1: $3.55
CO: $3.85
Button: $26.20
SB: $24.40
Hero: $19.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 5

UTG raises to $0.3, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: T

($0.95, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: 4

($0.95, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.3, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: 5

($1.85, 3 players)
Hero bets $1.85, 2 folds.
Uncalled bets: $1.85 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $1.85

Hand 2:
Do I raise any street here?

Absolute Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $25.50
CO: $28.10
Hero: $20.90
SB: $3.55
BB: $3.30

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 6

UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: 7

($0.45, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: J

($0.45, 4 players)
BB bets $0.3, 2 folds, Hero calls.

River: K

($1.05, 2 players)
BB bets $0.4, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $1.85

Hand 3:
The Hero Call.

Absolute Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $21.40
CO: $4
Button: $2
SB: $24.90
BB: $36.35

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with

Hero calls, CO raises to $0.4, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop:
A

($1.3, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn:

($1.3, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.6, CO raises to $1.2, SB calls, Hero calls.

River:

($4.9, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO is all-in $2.4, SB folds, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $9.7

Hand 4:
Do I bet the river?

Absolute Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $23.30
CO: $36.05
Hero: $25.55
SB: $9.30
BB: $3.90

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with

UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop:

($0.5, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.5, SB calls, 3 folds.

Turn:

($1.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.5, SB calls.

River:

($4.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $4.5

Hand 5:
Standard fold?

Absolute Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $3.70
CO: $3.20
Button: $22.70
SB: $39.95
Hero: $30.90

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with

UTG calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop:

($0.5, 5 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero folds, UTG calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn:

($2.5, 4 players)
SB bets $1, UTG folds, CO calls, Button raises to $6.5, SB folds, CO calls all-in $1.6.
Uncalled bets: $3.9 returned to Button.

River:

($8.7, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $8.7)

Results:
Final pot: $8.7

Hand 6:
Also standard?

Absolute Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $4
CO: $27.80
Button: $38.35
Hero: $30.80
BB: $3.10

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with

2 folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop:

($0.3, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.3, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn:

($0.9, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.6, BB raises all-in $2.7, Hero calls.

River:

($6.3, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $6.3)

Results:
Final pot: $6.3

Hand 7:
Standard?

Absolute Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $40.40
Hero: $32.55
SB: $3.40
BB: $27.25

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with

UTG folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop:
A :diamond

($0.3, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn:

($0.3, 3 players)
SB bets $0.3, BB folds, Hero calls.

River:

($0.9, 2 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $1.9

Finally Hand 8:
Did I go apeshit here, or is this standard?

Absolute Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $8.85
Hero: $29.85
Button: $9.05
SB: $5
BB: $7.90

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with

UTG raises to $0.2, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: T

($0.8, 4 players)
SB bets $0.8, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn:

($3.2, 3 players)
SB bets $1.9, UTG calls, Hero raises to $10.8, SB calls all-in $2.1, UTG folds.
Uncalled bets: $6.8 returned to Hero.

River:

($13.1, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $13.1)

Results:
Final pot: $13.1

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swiggidy

07-09-2007, 01:23 AM

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Hey,
I don't have time right now, otherwise I would comment. You did post way too many hands.

If you want thoughtful responses post 3 max. If you're ok with one line answers you'll probably get a couple responses.

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bigspenda73

07-09-2007, 03:09 AM

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OK honest assessment of how you played from last night. I know I was screwing around but if you were playing serious here is what I felt of your game. Screw you for also sitting directly on my left the first time we played

Negative: You bloat too many pots OOP with sub-premium holdings preflop.
Positive: You value-bet thin and correctly a few times when I would have checked

Negative: Playing less than nut-draws in multiway pots
Positive: You play aggressively in a passive game

Final negative: Over-valuing 2pr hands

KoRnholio

07-09-2007, 04:02 AM

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1. Fold turn

2. Fine if he bets light (ie if he will bet a tiny flush or straight on that board)

3. Probably call river, getting a decent price and he could be betting something like AJ here

4. Check behind is good. Very few worse hands will call, and 56xx just got there. If he was on a club draw (most likely) he either folds or raise bluffs.

5. Gutshot to the nuts is a fold in your position. If you were button and closed the action, then a call could be considered.

6. 6 outs to the nuts and out of position heads up, usually I just fold this flop. In position a card off is good since you can get paid when you hit, possibly get a free card, or get away when the turn is a bad card.

7. Looks good, but a raise often gets paid off by worse flushes. If he reraises we can fold unless he's a maniac.

8. Preflop is just barely a call since there are a lot of troublesome flops for us. Looks fine after that, although bottom 2 pair is a major trouble hand. Since SB isn't very deep and UTG just called, a raise is good on the turn.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

zenbitz

07-09-2007, 07:41 PM

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These hands all suck pre-flop.

overflow

07-10-2007, 02:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zenbitz

These hands all suck pre-flop.

So what's standard line for PLO, 25-30/10/2.5? I'm running ab0ut 55/8-12/1.75 I think.

overflow

07-10-2007, 02:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KoRnholio

1. Fold turn

I thought there was a small chance my straight outs were live, but I agree completely, this was a luckbox river for me.

2. Fine if he bets light (ie if he will bet a tiny flush or straight on that board)

My reasoning was that he was a weak player, and doubted he would've checked a higher flush on the flop.

3. Probably call river, getting a decent price and he could be betting something like AJ here
My read was right, I was putting him on either a) weaker 2pair or b) missed flush draw. Villian turned over 9 K 10 8

4. Check behind is good. Very few worse hands will call, and 56xx just got there. If he was on a club draw (most likely) he either folds or raise bluffs.

Villan showed Q 5 J 8

5. Gutshot to the nuts is a fold in your position. If you were button and closed the action, then a call could be considered.

I was thinking I had a wrap draw, but you're essentially right, only one of the straights I'm drawing to is the nuts, I guess wraps lose a lot of their value when they aren't giving you wrap outs everyway to the nuts, or wrapped broadways. Thanks for facilitating my reaffirmation

6. 6 outs to the nuts and out of position heads up, usually I just fold this flop. In position a card off is good since you can get paid when you hit, possibly get a free card, or get away when the turn is a bad card.

This was a very thin flop call, I see that now. Thanks again

7. Looks good, but a raise often gets paid off by worse flushes. If he reraises we can fold unless he's a maniac.

Instinct served me well on this one villian flipped: A 5 3 7

8. Preflop is just barely a call since there are a lot of troublesome flops for us. Looks fine after that, although bottom 2 pair is a major trouble hand. Since SB isn't very deep and UTG just called, a raise is good on the turn.

Villian turned over T A T 2

zenbitz

07-10-2007, 04:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by overflow

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenbitz

These hands all suck pre-flop.

So what's standard line for PLO, 25-30/10/2.5? I'm running ab0ut 55/8-12/1.75 I think.

I dunno. I don't have Omaha PT! I think it's very dependent on your table, and your post-flop play. I don't mind seeing flops with marginal crap (like the above hands) as long as I am in position, or getting a great price, or my opponents are terrible (ideally all three). PLO has enough variance, thank you very much.

I play these crap hands supercarefully, unless I have a good read that they have AAXX or KKXX and are overplaying them.

gingerwizard

07-12-2007, 03:29 PM

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At a quick glance I'm folding nearly all these hands preflop. You want all cards working for you in your hand Ks6hQs3s sucks really hard IMO.

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