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dmg7

04-25-2007, 06:07 PM Post subject: PLO - full house

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never really know what im doing on omaha, although i make a lot more in it than i ever do at NLHE...

whats this line like? im very aggressive, over bet alot, sometimes caught out, often not, dangerousTN hates to back down, plays nearly 100% of hands preflop :P

PokerStars Game #9601511223: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/04/25 - 14:03:16 (ET)
Table 'Erriapo III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: danegerousTN ($36.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Tatana61 ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 3: bone0420 ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 4: palmer2k6 ($15.25 in chips)
Seat 5: MoxNix ($5.80 in chips)
Seat 6: joschi1101 ($5.80 in chips)
Tatana61: posts small blind $0.05
bone0420: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to palmer2k6 [As Ts Qs Ad]
palmer2k6: raises $0.20 to $0.30
MoxNix: folds
joschi1101: calls $0.30
danegerousTN: calls $0.30
Tatana61: folds
bone0420: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [Ah Jh 7d]
bone0420: checks
palmer2k6: bets $1.20
joschi1101: folds
danegerousTN: calls $1.20
bone0420: calls $1.20
*** TURN *** [Ah Jh 7d] [8d]
bone0420: checks
palmer2k6: checks
danegerousTN: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ah Jh 7d 8d] [7h]
bone0420: checks
palmer2k6: checks
danegerousTN: bets $3.50
bone0420: calls $3.50
palmer2k6: raises $10.25 to $13.75 and is all-in

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KoRnholio

04-25-2007, 11:49 PM

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Usually I just bet out on the river and collect a call or two by a flush or low boat. But if the opponents behind you are reasonably aggressive and will sometimes pay off a check-raise, then that line is a bit better.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

Fnord

04-27-2007, 05:44 PM Post subject: Re: PLO - full house

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dmg7

never really know what im doing on omaha, although i make a lot more in it than i ever do at NLHE...

Look forward to your posts when you start running bad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmg7

im very aggressive, over bet alot

I would certainly bet that turn. Certainly with a crazy image and be more inclined to Pot it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

KoRnholio

04-27-2007, 08:38 PM Post subject: Re: PLO - full house

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dmg7

never really know what im doing on omaha, although i make a lot more in it than i ever do at NLHE...

Look forward to your posts when you start running bad.

QFT. Even against the donkiest of donks, you will rarely find yourself more than a 60/40 favorite when all in on the flop. Remember that a donk's 7-high flush draw is just as good against your set as an ace-high draw

FWIW, I had my first losing month of poker (even including bonuses and rakeback) last month after I ran insanely bad at PLO. Part of it was tilt against some of the laggos in my game who just couldn't not catch a draw against me, but a large part was just getting unlucky when the money went in.

The thing to remember is that for every ugly draw out there will be a hand like this that makes you smile and reminds you that some people are just so bad:

Cryptologic 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) link

Hero ($139.12)
CO ($31.25)
Button ($66.93)
SB ($53.00)
BB ($24.36)
UTG ($14.05)
UTG+1 ($29.55)
MP1 ($46.25)
MP2 ($39.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A

, 8

, A

, 7

.
1 folds, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.00, CO calls, 1 folds, SB calls, 1 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (28.00 SB) K

, A

, K

(4 players)
SB bets $0.50, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (17.00 BB) 7

(3 players)
SB bets $2.50, Hero raises to $12, CO folds, SB calls.

River: (46.00 BB) 6

(2 players)
SB bets $8.50, Hero raises all in, SB calls $30 all in.

Final Pot: 80.00 BB.
Results in white below:
Hero has Ah 8s Ac 7s(A Full House, Aces full of Kings)
SB has 4c 2c Jd Ks (Three of a kind, Kings, Ace high)
Hero wins $108.25.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

Fnord

04-27-2007, 08:46 PM

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Interesting pre-flop raise with Ace-Ace-not-much from the HiJack.

Yeah, your opponent here is terminally stupid, I expected to see at least a boat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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KoRnholio

04-27-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Interesting pre-flop raise with Ace-Ace-not-much from the HiJack.

Yeah, your opponent here is terminally stupid, I expected to see at least a boat.

About half my table was terminally stupid (as seen by my 240BB stack at the start of this hand). My hand isn't that great, but pumping the pot with any big pair from late position will maximize my wins when I hit a big flop. Raising also will usually secure me the button so I will be able to take free cards as needed most of the time.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

Fnord

04-27-2007, 10:09 PM

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Yeah, that spot is usually a call for me since (for an Omaha hand) AA87 rainbow won't hit many boards, CO + BN + Blinds will still play lots of hands and I rather like having spots where I'm mixing it up with big pairs. Although, my opponents are generally more aware or short stacked.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

bigspenda73

04-27-2007, 11:48 PM

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Is the flop standard? You say you raise PF to build the pot but you might as well have just called after your flop play.

KoRnholio

04-28-2007, 01:31 AM

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Is the flop standard? You say you raise PF to build the pot but you might as well have just called after your flop play.

Probably isn't standard, but just calling lets them think that if they hit their straight/flush that it may be good. Also if someone with a hand like KQJx hits their kicker they probably won't let go either. Raising the flop right away scares them into thinking I have a monster AA or AK, which is exactly what I don't want.

Against more aware thinking players I would raise because they expect me to slowplay if I really had AA or AK.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

bigspenda73

04-28-2007, 01:38 AM

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Yea, but pot-raising a totally blank turn against a competent player after raising PF and just calling the flop would turn your hand face up, no?

Against this guy it was obv fine.

KoRnholio

04-28-2007, 03:39 AM

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Yea, but pot-raising a totally blank turn against a competent player after raising PF and just calling the flop would turn your hand face up, no?

Pretty much, that's why I'd often raise a thinking/competent player on the flop.

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Against this guy it was obv fine.

Bless the donkeys

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

Fnord

04-28-2007, 07:07 AM

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Yea, but pot-raising a totally blank turn against a competent player after raising PF and just calling the flop would turn your hand face up, no?

Depends on how deep the money is and how aggressive your opponent figures to get with Kx. You're pretty much check/folding a 3rd King, so you might as well show him a card he might want to put his stack behind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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KoRnholio

04-28-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fnord

you might as well show him a card he might want to put his stack behind.

Well said. My line of reasoning for the flop call was that it also lets the totally clueless donks hit a straight or flush card that they will pay to show down.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

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