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griffey24
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02-17-2009, 02:49 AM
Post subject: PLO books....?
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Straight Flush
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Hey guys,
Just trying to learn PLO here and was wondering if there are any "staple" kind of books for someone trying to learn PLO? Doesn't have to be a beginner book necessarily.
I bought Pot-Limit Omaha Poker by Jeff Hwang and it arrived today and been reading that and it seems decent so far. Anyone have any thoughts on this book or any others?
Thanks!
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drmcboy
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Hwang is the best, stick with it through the torturous straight draw section in the beginning.
Rueben is good, read it next. Also he's so English it's awesome.
then Slotboom. He starts off with some short stacking stuff which is eh but has some good stuff from there.
You can buy the Ciaffone book but imo Hwang says the same stuff but better.
I got the Cloutier book against my better judgment and it's just as dumb as his NLHE book. It helps to understand the nits who only bet the nuts but probably you are doing OK vs them.
The section in SS2 by berman is OK but if you don't already have it or have interest in the other games in there it isn't worth buying just for PLO, you can read it in like 45 minutes.
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Da GOAT
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cool ty Doctor
anyone check if any site have Hwangs book in their store?
Im thinking if i get any books its this and elements.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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griffey24
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I just bought hwang online for like $13 CDN + shipping.. was pretty cheap.
Do they deliver to Ireland? 
And yah the straight draw section in Hwang's book just messes with my mind.. all the combos and outs.. and nut outs... holy
thanks for the advice dr!
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Da GOAT
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they will deliver to ireland via goat
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Da GOAT
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Straight Flush
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ok its a coming plus got elements
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by drmcboy
Hwang is the best, stick with it through the torturous straight draw section in the beginning.
Rueben is good, read it next. Also he's so English it's awesome.
then Slotboom. He starts off with some short stacking stuff which is eh but has some good stuff from there.
You can buy the Ciaffone book but imo Hwang says the same stuff but better.
I got the Cloutier book against my better judgment and it's just as dumb as his NLHE book. It helps to understand the nits who only bet the nuts but probably you are doing OK vs them.
The section in SS2 by berman is OK but if you don't already have it or have interest in the other games in there it isn't worth buying just for PLO, you can read it in like 45 minutes. |
personally gained much more from slotboom's unconventional stuff than i did from the standard stuff.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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I added this to the digest so I'll toss in a few more bits.
Full titles
Pot-Limit Omaha Poker by Jeff Hwang
How Good is Your Pot-Limit Omaha? by Stewart Reuben
Secrets of Professional Pot-Limit Omaha by Rolf Slotboom
Omaha Poker by Bob Ciaffone
Doyle Brunson's Super System 2: A Course in Power Poker by Doyle Brunson
Championship Omaha by Tom McEvoy and T.J. Cloutier (not recommended)
Hwang has nice sizes sections on LO8 and PLO8.
Ciaffone discuss LO8 and Limit Omaha high, as does the Cloutier book. Just like PLO, I think you get more out of the Hwang section for LO8. You'll probably never play Limit Omaha High in your life. There are currently 0 LO high games running on stars as I write this.
SS2 has a section on LO8 which is again OK but not worth buying the book just for that. But if you're the kind of person who would play LO8 and PLO I'd buy SS1 and SS2. Probably SS2 first. SS1 is a little dated, especially the stud lo section which was written before 8 or better was the standard.
Ray Zee's book is the only one I have read on LO8. It's excellent and as a b0nus you get Stud 8 as well.
High-Low-Split Poker, Seven-Card Stud and Omaha Eight-or-better for Advan (Advance Player) by Ray Zee
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riverturnflop
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those who said hwang's or slotboom's plo book is best probably haven't read Slowhabit's PLO book. a few at twoplustwo was fortunate to be selected for an advanced copy and were blown away.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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bump to remind myself to sticky this
also I need to add the new Hwang and Slot books
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griffey24
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I read Hwang's PLO book but heard he has some other more advanced PLO books. Are those any good?
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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drmcboy
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Yes, the new Hwang book is awesome. You can tell everyone read his first one and was like "LOLNitaments" and he was offended. This one focuses a lot more on position & generally playing without the nuts. Floating is chapter one. It's a huge book with lots of HHs (maybe a few too many) and also lots of content. He has another one planned but it's not out yet.
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griffey24
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haha sweet, ok cause I thought the same thing about the first book. Seemed geared towards PLO live games with lots of tight players and not really to an aggro 6max online game I thought. Especially with all the talk of folding the nuts if you don't have redraws etc etc.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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TonyB73
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Originally Posted by drmcboy
Yes, the new Hwang book is awesome. You can tell everyone read his first one and was like "LOLNitaments" and he was offended. This one focuses a lot more on position & generally playing without the nuts. Floating is chapter one. It's a huge book with lots of HHs (maybe a few too many) and also lots of content. He has another one planned but it's not out yet.
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Do you need to have read the first to get the most out of the second?
Actually I was thinking of buying the first half of Slowhabit's e-book ($47), as its specifically aimed at NLHE players transitioning to PLO. Have you read that, and is it any good?
The only problem is that I think it only deals with preflop, and to buy the second half on post-flop is another $327 - it would want to be good before I consider shelling out that sort of cash.
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drmcboy
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Have not read the Slowhabit book, I am not on the e book train.
you could read Hwang 2 without Hwang 1, but every new PLO player should read Hwang 1 so I don't recommend it.
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TonyB73
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Originally Posted by drmcboy
Have not read the Slowhabit book, I am not on the e book train.
you could read Hwang 2 without Hwang 1, but every new PLO player should read Hwang 1 so I don't recommend it.
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Thanks man.
Have ordered Hwang 1 through Amazon for Xmas. Gogogogogo PLO.
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bjsaust
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Is this pretty much still a good book guide?
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Just playing to improve.
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drmcboy
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I haven't read any since except a PLO8 book that is OK
Amazon.com: Pot Limit Omaha 8 Revealed (Volume 1) (9781442197633): Dan Deppen, Anna Paradox: Books
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