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Old 04-01-2009, 08:39 PM     Post subject: PLO $50 2 hands vs wild player #1 (permalink)  
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2hands vs same villain, literally back to back hands. He's totally unknown, but playing very loose, ended with 37 hands playing 81/6 preflop. Anyway, first one seems kinda standard, but also it sets up the second one which may also be standard, but don't know. Just kinda getting back into PLO so want to get some opinions.

Hand 1
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Button ($82.10)
SB ($38.75)
BB ($50)
UTG ($111.65)
Hero (MP) ($79.55)
CO ($58.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, 4, A, 4
1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, CO calls $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.75) 6, 8, A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, CO calls $4, 1 fold

Turn: ($13.75) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $11.50, CO calls $11.50

River: ($36.75) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $32, Hero folds


Hand 2
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CO ($82.10)
Button ($37)
SB ($50)
BB ($111.65)
Hero (UTG) ($62.30)
MP ($75.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K, 6, 9
Hero bets $1.75, MP calls $1.75, 1 fold, Button calls $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($7.25) 3, 10, 2 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, MP calls $6, 2 folds

Turn: ($19.25) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $14, MP raises to $60.35, Hero folds
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Old 04-01-2009, 09:10 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 1) I probably fold pre flop

I would maybe check the turn and I would bet less for sure, makes it easier to call a raise or a bet on river.

Flip coin on river, I can see why you folded but I think he has like T98x+ some clubs/A8xx other two pair types enough to call. def close either way

2) I would just c/f the flop or maybe c/c a small bet with 4 opps.

I would never bet the Q which is a horrible card, you're hoping he has JJ/QQ or QTxx types. This is one of the main reasons I would give up on the flop because you hate pretty much all turns that are not Ks - they either put two pair or straights out
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Old 04-02-2009, 01:05 AM #3 (permalink)  
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hand 1 against "wild" player, ship it in fast
but you only give me pre flop stats. if he's like loose passive then consider folding, but I'm not buying the backdoor whatever he's representing

hand 2 check fold flop
not c-betting into a field that big from poor position
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:01 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Ya, the problem was I didn't really know he was kinda crazy until after these hands. Shortly after he took his stack and moved up to the $100 tables to let it ride.

But anyway, hand 1 I was curious if that would be an open for good players. I think I need to tighten up my range. But my thinking was that it makes a lot of good hands, but ya, I can see maybe it should be a fold pre.

Hand 2, when would you cbet? Like if you flop the overpair with a flush draw is that a better board to cbet or do you still like c/calling 1 street?

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 depends on straightness of board but in general yes I would bet over pair + FD and that's probably the worst hand I would lead with from OOP.
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Old 04-14-2009, 05:50 PM #6 (permalink)  

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i hate playing with a wild player... cuz they always end up doing something terrible to take your money! id probably fold.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:24 PM #7 (permalink)  

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playing with a wild player sucks...he often get luck on the river cause he is playing his fucking low draw like i monster draw and will luck you out...if u get lucky u will win big pots vs players like this but this dont happens very often...especially at omaha
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1) I probably fold pre flop
Really? I've only just started playing PLO and watched a few galfond and wiltontilt videos but isn't AK44 double suited a decent hand
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1) I probably fold pre flop
Really? I've only just started playing PLO and watched a few galfond and wiltontilt videos but isn't AK44 double suited a decent hand
Hmm, I've only just started playing PLO as well but I would say having the pair weakens the hand. I consider something like AK45ds stronger, but maybe I'm wrong?
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Old 04-24-2009, 06:28 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 if the pair was off suit (AsKs44red for example) it would be much better. You want the off suit pair so when you flop a set you also have one of your flush cards there. With his hand we'll usually flop a bad set or a bare FD. I would open this hand if I expected to have position post flop.

I would also open AK45 double suited from CO or BU but I would prefer to have the pair, set + FD is a great hand. Aside from a 32 with FD which will not happen much it's hard to flop a two way hand with it that we can't already flop with AK44. And as weak as your bottom set will be it's better than top and bottom pair.

we would of course much rather have A654 double suited. connected > suited if we don't have ace.

don't get me wrong, most Omaha players will play AK44 ds from any position but I think it's iffy. If we had AK99 ds where our set would be top set more often you should like it a lot more.
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Old 04-24-2009, 06:30 PM #11 (permalink)  
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1) I probably fold pre flop
Really? I've only just started playing PLO and watched a few galfond and wiltontilt videos but isn't AK44 double suited a decent hand
depends A LOT on stakes imo, in the games those guys play I would venture to say that hand goes up in value b/c ppl are getting their money in much lighter in certain spots, while at 50-200plo you're going to get set over setted so much with baby pairs.
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if the pair was off suit (AsKs44red for example) it would be much better. You want the off suit pair so when you flop a set you also have one of your flush cards there. With his hand we'll usually flop a bad set or a bare FD. I would open this hand if I expected to have position post flop.
What about the consideration that if the A and K are suited your opponents can't make a 2nd nut flush?
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Old 04-26-2009, 12:00 PM #13 (permalink)  
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^^ not really a consideration
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