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Old 03-16-2005, 07:02 PM     Post subject: playing at very loose tables.... #1 (permalink)  
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As everyone knows, some hands are much stronger in multiway pots.

AKo for example is very powerful heads up, but is almost weaker than T9s in a 6 way pot. ( if i'm wrong about this please correct me.)

I think AKo is an underdog to QJs in a 7 way pot for example (or at least very close)


How many should I be looking for in a pot before playing connectors? suited connectors? (and I assume these hands would be for late posistion only even with a 7 way pot)

I'm talking about:

T9
98
76?

T9s
98s
76s?
54s?

edit: ? = i assume it should be folded even in a 8 or 9 way pot

Sorry about the newbie questions, but I *think* i should still be posting them here because they are about limit. (if i should be posting them in Beginners Circle just let me know)

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Old 03-16-2005, 07:07 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Sounds like the bullshit the semi-aware folks at the cardroom spout.

AKo and AQo retain their value well in a multi-pot and AK is still a monster.
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AK is a beast no matter if its suited or not. Suited is obviously better, but it really doesn't matter too much.

The ones you have ?marked, id ditch preflop. The others, call if its cheap, ditch it if you're raised and it doesn't hit.

An "ideal" number of people really, in my mind atleast, doesn't come into play here. You're either hitting on the flop or you're not.
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Old 03-16-2005, 07:33 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I'm not trying to imply that AKo or AQo are not very powerful in a multiway, but hands like QJs and JTs become a lot more powerful than they are in say a 3 way pot.

AKo is at ~22% and JTs is also at ~22% with 7 players at the showdown..

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Originally Posted by Laeelin
I'm not trying to imply that AKo or AQo are not very powerful in a multiway, but hands like QJs and JTs become a lot more powerful than they are in say a 3 way pot.

AKo is at ~22% and JTs is also at ~22% with 7 players at the showdown..
They do have the ability to complete more straights, but good top pair hands like AK and AQs, etc. are going to win more simply because top pair hands win more than any other type of hand, even if it is multi-way. You make take down bigger pots when you fill with the lower connectors, but you also have to worry about being on the idiot end of that straight when the flop comes high cards. Just because you don't have open-ended straight possibilities with AK, doesn't make it less powerful.

I welcome cold-callers when I raise with AK anytime.
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Old 03-20-2005, 06:01 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I have small stakes hold'em now, and my entire understanding was wrong.

I can not say enough good about that book.

I wasnt respecting a preflop raise that came from a bad player.

Now I know you should ALWAYS respect a raise, even from a fish... Not always fear one, but always respect one.

That lack of respect will cost money in the long run. (at least it was costing me)

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Old 03-21-2005, 06:04 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I have small stakes hold'em now, and my entire understanding was wrong.

I can not say enough good about that book.

I wasnt respecting a preflop raise that came from a bad player.

Now I know you should ALWAYS respect a raise, even from a fish... Not always fear one, but always respect one.

That lack of respect will cost money in the long run. (at least it was costing me)
I agree if you are talking offsuited cards. The section "the importance of being suited" in SSH was huge for me. E.g., a PF raise should be respected if you have, say, KQo, unless you have a good read. Believe me, I learned this the hard way over thousands of hands.
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